War in Ukraine

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#47,876
USF grad in TN said:
Had some good one-liners though. I may have to use them:

I'm not even giving my opinion.
Most of what I say is just obvious observations.
Russia and it's satellites are headed for RESET.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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why dont you go march around with your stupid white people army
 
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825VOL said:
Go start a new thread discussing disparities. Just make sure you get the stats from rural WV & KY to compare to your Boston stats.
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I wasn't the one who started boasting about how many blacks there are in the USA compared to Russia (mostly because of the trans-Atlantic slave trade) as a way to say white Americans are wonderful people and white Russians aren't.
 
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LouderVol said:
At first. Afghanistan it could be argued was justified. Russia invaded a country because people they arent at war with might move in. We invaded because people in that nation actually attacked us.

Iraq was just crap, but that doesnt excuse Russia, or make anyone here hypocrites. Each invasion is different. Heck Iraq 1 was a completely different circumstance than Iraq 2. Even though they were both: mostly by us, against the same regime, in the same country, and not even two decades apart.

I would also ask you to define support. Because right now you guys are acting like anything less than rioting in the streets is support.
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But that's just the normal cycle of the American wars:

Americans wildly cheering to invade a sovereign country over flimsy reasons ----> Americans completely destroying the foreign nation's infrastructure and killing lots of people, mostly civilians ----> The war is still wildly popular with the newsmedia saying victory is at hand, and anyone who doesn't back US involvement is an agent of the foreign government (al Qaeda sympathizer/Putinista/communist/etc.) ---> Our soldiers can't nail down a victory ---> War becomes unpopular ---> Even Americans who called isolationists agents of foreign governments/traitors/terrorists fall off the war bandwagon and pretend they never supported it at all ---> The USA pulls its soldiers out and leaves foreign soldiers to fight the war American soldiers cannot and will not win ---> The fall of Saigon moment
 
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#47,888
MontyPython said:
Afghanistan was 100% justified war. I supported us blowing the f*** out of the Taliban and I support it just the same today.

However...

It all went wrong when we morphed our goals into "nation building". What a crock of sh*t that was.
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I'm glad I wasn't that gullible. It's too bad Pat Tillman drank the Kool Aid, because he seemed like a decent guy.
 
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AM64 said:
When Russia ran the Soviet Union, you'd suppose they planted a lot of Russians in the states they occupied. Therefore, not surprising that there are a lot of Russians outside Russia and that Russian not exactly a foreign language in a lot of those states. The only thing states like Ukraine did wrong was not do some "ethnic" cleansing of their own and chase out or barbeque the leftover Russians; leaving them there to fester and mold was always a bad plan ... except for Russia.

My cardiologist had a new nurse, and she had an interesting accent. I liked her a lot and asked a little about where she was from, etc. She asked what her accent sounded like to me, and I replied Russian. Turns out she was from one of the Stans, so I'd guess a lot of people in the old Soviet states might speak Russian and appear to be related to their conqueror of many years ... and that there were Russians planted there to ensure compliance. I worked with an engineer from one of the eastern European Soviet states; he spoke fluent Russian ... the language of the occupier.
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What about the Russians and Greeks that have been there since the late 18th Century? You act as though the majority of the Russians in these regions have only been there since Stalin came on the scene. You are not being intellectually or historically honest.
 
#47,890
#47,890
AM64 said:
So the keys are Soviet occupation and disturbing the natural order. AND People declaring independence - not deciding to be a part of Russia. None of this makes these places Russian except by force.
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I would love to hear your comments about the people of Palestine and Israel since 1948.
 
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#47,891
AM64 said:
This is what the whole thing is all about. Pure and simple. Ukraine as it exists separates Russia from Crimea.



Explosion on Crimean Bridge: over 1,000 trucks stuck in traffic jam at crossing
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You know good and damn well that when the USSR broke apart in 1991, the people of Crimea and Donbas went from one country into separate countries in the blink of an eye, by no fault of the people living in these regions. And they would have lived peacefully in Ukraine as it was before 2014 had it not been for the US State Department.
 
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