War in Ukraine

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#51,476
KB5252 said:
Sorry, I'm not following.
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Let this sink in to your thick skull... we've spent double in 9 months what our 12 month budget was in Afghanistan.

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I saw this tweet the first time you trotted it out. That's why I asked you about how much of this was cash versus equipment.

As I stated, I'm pretty good about floating that value in equipment to Ukraine, the American taxpayer is FINALLY getting a good return on this investment.

I'm a big fan of American artillery obliterating your vodka-soaked buddies.

Sorry.

Not Sorry.
 
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Septic said:
We?

How many times do I have to remind you?

You aren't one of us.

You're rooting against the U.S. and the west. EAD Ras, you're a pootin sychophant and you will remain the subject of our mockery and disdain, stop pretending to be an objective bystander.
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Agreed that Ras isn't one of us, but he is right about our "diplomacy". We keep putting people who couldn't negotiate their way out of a paper bag in positions to negotiate with other states, and they fail virtually every time. And I'm including clowns well past and including Kissinger. Actually when you look around the world for the last couple of hundred years you could easily believe that diplomacy is fiction ... and maybe a couple of hundred years is nowhere long enough. It seems that most acts of diplomacy are either capitulation, power, or bribery.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I didn't question the method of training. I'm questioning the numbers. 30k vs the Million Man Army that 3elensky was bumping his gums about. Where are they?
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We could send in census takers, but they wouldn't be able to ask if the soldiers are Ukrainian citizens, so it would probably be meaningless. I suppose the current biden regime would allow the census takers to ask if the person is a Nazi though.
 
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AM64 said:
Agreed that Ras isn't one of us, but he is right about our "diplomacy". We keep putting people who couldn't negotiate their way out of a paper bag in positions to negotiate with other states, and they fail virtually every time. And I'm including clowns well past and including Kissinger. Actually when you look around the world for the last couple of hundred years you could easily believe that diplomacy is fiction ... and maybe a couple of hundred years is nowhere long enough. It seems that most acts of diplomacy are either capitulation, power, or bribery.
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I scoff at his lecturing anyone about diplomacy. Russia is led by a thug who only knows violence and right now he's getting the business end of a decision he made.

Zelensky and the Ukrainians don't owe anyone an explanation for not negotiating, they're under attack from a hostile occupying force. The Russians are terrorists, attempting to use food and utilities to make the Ukrainian civilians suffer solely due to their battlefield incompetence.
 
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Septic said:
I scoff at his lecturing anyone about diplomacy. Russia is led by a thug who only knows violence and right now he's getting the business end of a decision he made.

Zelensky and the Ukrainians don't owe anyone an explanation for not negotiating, they're under attack from a hostile occupying force. The Russians are terrorists, attempting to use food and utilities to make the Ukrainian civilians suffer solely due to their battlefield incompetence.
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Absolutely agree that you don't negotiate with terrorists. I'm just pointing out that there's been no real negotiating or diplomacy anywhere around the globe in forever. When there has been an agreement, no communist state has ever lived by the treaty. Basically they agree so everybody goes away, and while they are doing high fives, the thugs just carry on carrying on.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Novorossiya is Russian. Have you heard of Catherine The Great? Potemkin?
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Yeah, I've even heard of Rasputin. Didn't you tell us European borders are always changing? So why would borders of no longer existing places matter? Remember Russia formed the Soviet Union, and put it all in a blender - screwed over a large portion of the globe while they were at it.
 
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NCFisher said:
Bob's your uncle
A phrase used to emphasize how easily or quickly something can be done. Primarily heard in UK, Australia.
All you have to do is combine all of the ingredients in one pot, let it cook, and then Bob's your uncle, dinner is ready!
See also: uncle

Bob's your uncle
BRITISH
You can say Bob's your uncle to show that something is easy and quick to achieve. You just tag along with a teacher for a while, and in a year, Bob's your uncle, you are a teacher too. If the boiler ever gets too hot, the safety valve releases all the excess steam, and Bob's your uncle. No problem. Note: This expression dates back to a political scandal in Britain in 1886. The Prime Minister Robert Cecil gave his nephew the position of Chief Secretary for Ireland, and many people criticized him for this. The name `Bob' is short for `Robert'.
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Got it. Sorry, I'm just not a very big tech guy. In old school. LOL.

I'm an old soul. Feel older every year.
 
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Any one know, have a source, for how much we have given in equipment vs cash? I don't know why we would give a $. Maybe on a very minimal level. But the support should be equipment or training. And I am of the position they should be buying it from us. But seriously How much cash are they getting?
 
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volfanhill said:
Any one know, have a source, for how much we have given In equipment vs cash? I don't know why we would give a $. Maybe on a very minimal level. But the support should be equipment or training. And I am of the position they should be buying it from us. But seriously How much cash are they getting?
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Remember from the first round that not all the spending went to Ukraine in the first place. A lot of it went into bureaucracy building. I remember even seeing some of it going to enlarge things like IG staffs. When congress gets through appropriating funds, it's generally safe to say that some of the money goes to fund whatever the bill was supposed to do - doesn't mean all or even most went for that purpose.

This is in the $40B aid package". Now imagine where the following funding bills go.

Humanitarian and Global Assistance
About $16 billion of the package is for humanitarian assistance, general support to the Ukrainian government, and efforts to mitigate the effects of the war globally. As with the military programs, there is some overlap in the categories.
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Some of that certainly doesn't sound like mitigating the global effects of the war in Ukraine. Then there's this little tidbit:

The "Christmas Tree" Problem
The Office of Management and Budget (OMB) is always wary about supplemental appropriations. By policy, supplemental appropriations are for "emergency and unforeseen" situations. Hurricanes are the classic example, but the early stages of conflicts are also unforeseen. If government is to respond to emergencies quickly and effectively, then sometimes money must be provided outside of the regular cycle. However, OMB is also very aware that supplemental appropriations become "Christmas trees" onto which advocates can hang initiatives that did not get funded through the regular cycle. Many elements described above have the air of “Christmas tree ornaments.”

One manifestation of the “Christmas tree” problem is the long spend out of some items in the package. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that about $5 billion of the $40 billion will spend out in this fiscal year and the next (FY 2022 and FY 2023). However, $14 billion will spend out in FY 2026 and after, while some money will not be spent until FY 2031.
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Somebody has a nice slush fund to diddle with. Do we really think the war in Ukraine will still be going on in 2026 much less 2031?

What Does $40 Billion in Aid to Ukraine Buy?
 
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Septic said:
I scoff at his lecturing anyone about diplomacy. Russia is led by a thug who only knows violence and right now he's getting the business end of a decision he made.

Zelensky and the Ukrainians don't owe anyone an explanation for not negotiating, they're under attack from a hostile occupying force. The Russians are terrorists, attempting to use food and utilities to make the Ukrainian civilians suffer solely due to their battlefield incompetence.
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I haven't checked in on the thread in a bit. We still in the same cycle of like three pro-Russia dudes spouting RT propaganda and other dudes arguing with them?
 
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So Zelensky propagates a lie that Russia launched a missile in Poland and NATO needs to respond?

So many of you jokers think he should be helping with our military response? Lol. Insane.

So eventhough Russia probably didn't so it, it's ultimately their fault? The stupid just get stupider.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
Well that is better than openly simping for Russia. But let's double the next aid package for Ukraine. **** 'em.
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If the article I quoted above is anywhere near correct, it's hard to justify a new spending bill for the war in Ukraine when the first won't supposedly be spent for years. Or maybe the better way to put it is that the first won't be spent on Ukraine while the war is in progress and may not be spent on Ukraine at all.

I read another article recently about the Air Force screwing up by getting rid of too many older planes in order to fund purchases of new ones that can't be delivered anytime soon - and the shaky position that puts us in. To me the point is that we've gone completely irrational about weapons in believing a few with all the bells and whistles are better than a lot of less complex ones. It's especially troubling when the over priced and over featured planes that are supposed to do it all are sitting on the ground because they are too complex to keep in the air. Add to that pilots not getting enough flying time because the planes are too costly to fly and not mission ready and you really have a problem. It's like the adults charged with keeping things under control have morphed into wild eyed kids sitting under the Christmas tree ... and absolutely believing Santa exists.
 
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