War in Ukraine

[Rasputin_Vol]

Being printed, although they had to briefly pause to print some ballots for a few days.

This country is a banana republic. And we still have clowns in here that point their fingers at Russia and Venezuela.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Hmmmm... Ukrainians resorting to ISIS/Al Qaeda tactics. Ukra-SIS or Ukreada?

Four neo-Nazis arrested by anti-terror cops

The four had already been searched last year, legal sources said. They belong to the subversive neo-Nazi group the Order of Hagal, and were ready to take "violent action" against citizens and police, the sources said.

One of the ten suspects in the operation cannot be found, police said.

The man, whose details have not been disclosed, is currently in Ukraine and the investigative activity showed that he was in contact with the Azov battalion, currently engaged in facing the Russian invasion.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

All to a country just as corrupt as Russia.

I understand Russia is a long time enemy. I am not rooting for them in any way. Have at it on your own dime.

We were allies up until the Cold War.

 

[LouderVol]

Hmmmm... Ukrainians resorting to ISIS/Al Qaeda tactics. Ukra-SIS or Ukreada?

Four neo-Nazis arrested by anti-terror cops

Were ready?

So they actually hadnt done anything. Forgive me for not freaking out about what MIGHT have happened.

And russia must not really be decimated to taking out the Nazis if they didnt even take care of the ones in their own house before they invaded someone else over if.

And it's not like ISIS created saboteurs.

 

[KB5252]

We were allies up until the Cold War.

Eh, we had a common enemy. Nothing much more than that. We were very distrustful of one another. Hardly sympatico.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Now show the 2010 election map.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I haven't seen anything where he's specially asked the west to retaliate and strike Russia.

More weasel/lawyer talk. It is quite obvious he was pushing for escalation and for NATO to jump in.

Zelensky Backtracks After Urging NATO Action For Polish Border Blast | ZeroHedge

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Eh, we had a common enemy. Nothing much more than that. We were very distrustful of one another. Hardly sympatico.

So from the Revolutionary War until the Cold War, we were not allies?

 

[KB5252]

More weasel/lawyer talk. It is quite obvious he was pushing for escalation and for NATO to jump in.

Zelensky Backtracks After Urging NATO Action For Polish Border Blast | ZeroHedge

No, he's just the leader of a small country being invaded by a world power using the narrative to give every bit of leverage he can possibly get. It's the move any leader would make under these circumstances.

 

[LouderVol]

We were allies up until the Cold War.

Define ally. We werent at war....

Except for us taking part in their civil war against the soviets.

And except for the soviets promising to tear down the democracies pre 1942, it was the basis of their pact with Nazis.

But that doesnt make us allies. You really want to twist things to fit your narrative. Something something weasely words.

Only time we ever directly coordinated with Russia was the Bixer Rebellions but that also included the Brits, French, italians, Austro hungarians, japanese, Germans/Prussians

 

[KB5252]

So from the Revolutionary War until the Cold War, we were not allies?

I stand by my statement. It is fact based on comments made by both leaders and first person accounts of the meetings between the powers fighting against Hitler and Japan.

Things change, nothing is static. I was really tight with a bunch of guys I went to high school with, have not talked to them in years. Wouldn't want to be in the same room with many of them now.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I haven't seen anything where he's specifically asked the west to retaliate and strike Russia.

That’s because he didn’t

 

[KB5252]

That’s because he didn’t

I see, well that was the assertion that was made.... Imagine that.

I guess I'll be accused of being weasely. Better than being an absolutist prick I guess.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I see, well that was the assertion that was made.... Imagine that.

I guess I'll be accused of being weasely. Better than being an absolutist prick I guess.

We’re all just a bunch of weasels unwilling to accept Russian aggression I guess. Fine by me better than a stooge clown

 

[LouderVol]

More weasel/lawyer talk. It is quite obvious he was pushing for escalation and for NATO to jump in.

Zelensky Backtracks After Urging NATO Action For Polish Border Blast | ZeroHedge

"Action is needed." Funnyily enough he is right. His air defenses need some corrective action or investigation. And he largely got it, Poland used Article 4 to get to the bottom of it.

Hardly a call for war though. Most of us in this thread were calling for action via strongly worded messages.

Once again you just jump to whatever conclusion you want, and then twist words to fit your argument.

 

[rekinhavoc]

We were allies up until the Cold War.

I was born in 1968. I have only known them as an enemy.

 

[LouderVol]

We’re all just a bunch of weasels unwilling to accept Russian aggression I guess. Fine by me better than a stooge clown

It's amazing how actually taking words at their face value is weasely; while twisting them to fit a preconceived argument is being honest.

 

[volgr]

And for some reason his masters arent responding to what they obviously told him to say. In fact the masters came out and disproved by themselves what they told their puppet to say, when they had every opprotunity to roll with their own lie.

I wonder why? Maybe hes no one puppet

That doesn't answer my question. Try again, give it another shot.

 

[AM64]

It's also strange that they claim NATO and Russia agreed NATO wouldnt spread east but Russia tried to join NATO...

Putin Says He Discussed Russia's Possible NATO Membership With Bill Clinton

"During the meeting I said, 'We would consider an option that Russia might join NATO,'" Putin says. "Clinton answered, 'I have no objection.' But the entire U.S. delegation got very nervous."

But we are supposed to believe Putin is diametrically opposed to NATO moving its borders....

Imagine Russia in NATO with veto power like Russia has in the UN.

Question (maybe to Ras): if Russia and the Soviet Union aren't the same, then how did/do the Soviets and now the Russians hold veto power in the UN?

 

[KB5252]

The more I dig into reports from telegram and other places it is clearer to me these conscripts are not being trained or kitted properly. Seeing reports that newly deployed troops are sent in waves some with no leadership/effective command. Some have refused to go into battle, entire units held in basements under arrest. Families being fined for voicing their deployed family members experiences.

The iron curtain isn't as heavy as it was once but make no mistake the same tactics are still in play. I am beginning to feel very sorry for Russian conscripts.

 

[tvolsfan]

Now show the 2010 election map.

That wasn’t a vote to join Russia, so that’s irrelevant.

 

[AM64]

Agree with virtually all that, but if I follow the timeline correctly it seems Western sources - including Poland - prematurely established the 'Russian' premise and Z followed suit. NATO/U.S./Poland have sophisticated tracking systems and are in the position to determine source and correct the narrative. No one looked to Ukraine for the determination. The narrative is corrected and Z is again following suit.

Ukraine is in a bad way and we should critically examine any claims from them, but Z is following the West's military lead here.

The confusion is completely understandable. In a crisis (and war fits the category) things go wrong and nobody knows immediately the what and how. Some research says that S-300s don't always track and hit the target - they are Russian and you don't supposed the Ukrainian inventory is new anyway. Would the people firing the missile know it went off course on it's own - one thing to consider. Why would Ukraine fire an AD missile (they presumably need) at nothing but pointed into Poland when they surely know the source and general firing coordinates could be determined? A pretty dumb approach if you are presuming a false flag event.

Seems like an AD missile gone wrong that probably wouldn't have been fired at all if Russians hadn't been targeting the power grid in the region. As far as I'm concerned, Ukraine may have done the deed, but it wouldn't have happened at all if Russia hadn't been targeting the Ukrainian power grid with cruise missiles and drones. Call it collateral responsibility.

 

[Septic]

We were allies up until the Cold War.

Trump was a Democrat until he wasn't.

Your turn.

 

[Septic]

So from the Revolutionary War until the Cold War, we were not allies?

The enemy of my enemy is my friend, I've already explained this to you.

We had a common foe in the Axis powers, just as the U.S., western Europe (aka Civilized society) and Ukraine have a common foe against the trailer park country you seem to have grown up in.

 

[MontyPython]

Which explains exactly why Russia will win.. and is winning. Because to them, this is an existential fight for the survival of the Russian Federation. NATO has broken every promise and has agitated The Russian Federation for 30 years and Ukraine represents the red line. They are willing to go as far as necessary. On the other hand, the people in The West funding this war have no real skin in the game other than their rackets and money making MIC schemes.

Russia losing stings, don't she comrade.

Who'll take over the reins when Putin is killed?