War in Ukraine

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#51,701
Rasputin_Vol said:
No no, I gave you Germany and Japan, so there is no need to further include them in the discussion. I'm asking about the other nation building/regime change operations that we have engaged in in the past several decades. And I'm asking you why we don't worry ourselves about things that need to be rebuilt here at home instead of overseas?
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Then you missed my original point.
 
#51,702
#51,702
Rasputin_Vol said:
Russia was invited to Syria... The US was not.

And I'm sure there may be a few anecdotal difficulties or delays, but I think you may be blowing it a bit out of proportion. Where are you getting your info about these difficulties?
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Sure we were, by the other half of the country who was in opposition to the Assad regime.

The media that isn't controlled by Russia. Intercepted phone conversations. Wives and family of soldiers.

It's more widespread than isolated events.
 
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KB5252 said:
Sure we were, by the other half of the country who was in opposition to the Assad regime.

The media that isn't controlled by Russia. Intercepted phone conversations. Wives and family of soldiers.

It's more widespread than isolated events.
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I'm beginning to think that Ras is incapable of arguing his points without including the word Syria in his response.

Why won't the Ukrainian bully's leave Russia alone?!
 
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Septic said:
I'm beginning to think that Ras is incapable of arguing his points without including the word Syria in his response.

Why won't the Ukrainian bully's leave Russia alone?!
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I find it odd that everything points back to some specific point in time, but anytime you go further or prior to that specific point in time the goalposts are immediately moved or the subject changed.

When you counter one of his points with a counterpoint using a different example he accuses you of changing the subject and changing the topic.......
No I'm using your logic against you, we are taking about Russia and Ukraine, you're the one who changed the subject to Syria remember?


Rinse and repeat.
 
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#51,705
KB5252 said:
I find it odd that everything points back to some specific point in time, but anytime you go further or prior to that specific point in time the goalposts are immediately moved or the subject changed.

When you counter one of his points with a counterpoint using a different example he accuses you of changing the subject and changing the topic.......
No I'm using your logic against you, we are taking about Russia and Ukraine, you're the one who changed the subject to Syria remember?


Rinse and repeat.
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His ability to spin and whataboutisims have become legendary. Future civilizations will be amazed that a god walked among the mortals - bullet proof simply by uttering the word "Syria."
 
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KB5252 said:
I find it odd that everything points back to some specific point in time, but anytime you go further or prior to that specific point in time the goalposts are immediately moved or the subject changed.

When you counter one of his points with a counterpoint using a different example he accuses you of changing the subject and changing the topic.......
No I'm using your logic against you, we are taking about Russia and Ukraine, you're the one who changed the subject to Syria remember?


Rinse and repeat.
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No, I am simply pointing out you all hypocrisy. You all use double standards and move the goalposts whenever you all find a reason to condemn Russia for doing the very same thing the US and NATO have done.

When is the EU going to declare the US a state sponsor of terrorism? If the US had anything to do with NS1 & 2 demolition, not only was that a terrorist attack, but an environmental catastrophe. And if the US is arming A3OB battalion and the Ukrainians had anything to do with the attack on Darya Dugina, then that should qualify to put us on that list.
 
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KB5252 said:
The media that isn't controlled by Russia. Intercepted phone conversations. Wives and family of soldiers.

It's more widespread than isolated events.
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You mean the same media that last week was ready to plunge us into a NATO Article 5 calamity? You mean the same media that gave us Snake Island and Ghost of Kyiv?
 
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Septic said:
I'm beginning to think that Ras is incapable of arguing his points without including the word Syria in his response.

Why won't the Ukrainian bully's leave Russia alone?!
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Instead of Syria, would it be better if I said Iraq, Kosovo, Libya, or Afghanistan?
 
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#51,711
Septic said:
His ability to spin and whataboutisims have become legendary. Future civilizations will be amazed that a god walked among the mortals - bullet proof simply by uttering the word "Syria."
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What you call whataboutisms are simply comparisons that you all find to difficult to defend and justify when it involves the US.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
No, I am simply pointing out you all hypocrisy. You all use double standards and move the goalposts whenever you all find a reason to condemn Russia for doing the very same thing the US and NATO have done.

When is the EU going to declare the US a state sponsor of terrorism? If the US had anything to do with NS1 & 2 demolition, not only was that a terrorist attack, but an environmental catastrophe. And if the US is arming A3OB battalion and the Ukrainians had anything to do with the attack on Darya Dugina, then that should qualify to put us on that list.
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Enviromental catastrophe? 😂
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
What you call whataboutisms are simply comparisons that you all find to difficult to defend and justify when it involves the US.
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And you ignore when we bring up Russia examples while in a thread talking about Russia. No one, well sans the crazies like double D, in here is saying it was ok when the US did those examples, so no your "comparison" doesnt hold.

I have said it one hundred times, fill in the blank for me. It was bad when we did it, so that means its ____ when Russia does it?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
So if that is your argument, then why are you upset about Russia doing the same in Donbas?
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Because you can't cause the conflict while claiming you are attempting to stop it. Russias claim is that it was protecting Russians in a military conflict they were sponsoring. The interest wasn't protecting Russians.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
No, I am simply pointing out you all hypocrisy. You all use double standards and move the goalposts whenever you all find a reason to condemn Russia for doing the very same thing the US and NATO have done.

When is the EU going to declare the US a state sponsor of terrorism? If the US had anything to do with NS1 & 2 demolition, not only was that a terrorist attack, but an environmental catastrophe. And if the US is arming A3OB battalion and the Ukrainians had anything to do with the attack on Darya Dugina, then that should qualify to put us on that list.
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We get it, everyone and every nation is hypocritical....... In other breaking news water is wet.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You mean the same media that last week was ready to plunge us into a NATO Article 5 calamity? You mean the same media that gave us Snake Island and Ghost of Kyiv?
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We can all play the whatabout game. It's exhausting and in no way productive. You can cite examples we can cite examples. First reports are often wrong, but if you keep hearing the same reports from alternate sources there's almost always something to it.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
What you call whataboutisms are simply comparisons that you all find to difficult to defend and justify when it involves the US.
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They are whataboutisms because you use them in a one sided justification of Russian aggression Moe. Even after we agree the idiotic examples you list are wrong by the US you claim some kind of idiot ass justification and vindication of Pootin’s aggression stupidity. It’s hilarious as hell to watch you do it over and over also. 🤡
 
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KB5252 said:
Because you can't cause the conflict while claiming you are attempting to stop it. Russias claim is that it was protecting Russians in a military conflict they were sponsoring. The interest wasn't protecting Russians.
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So again, this goes back to Syria and the US. The US caused the conflict there.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
So again, this goes back to Syria and the US. The US caused the conflict there.
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Uh, no.

Reason 1 it wasnt the US's fault: Assad came to power and replaced a bunch of the powers that be out, including in the military.
Reason 2. There was a big ole drought that I believe is still on going.
Reason 3. Assad had a terrible response to this drought, making sure his guys got taken care of but not the majority outside Dasmcus.
Reason 4. Assad focused much of his resources on pleasing foreign allies and not his own people, look at the pipeline for a great example. Might have been fine during normal times, but during a drought and huge recession, it's not a good idea to spend money on things that dont immediately help. As you are so fond of pointing out with the US and Ukraine.
Reason 5. The ever present conflict between the different flavors of Islam, and minority religions.

The US did not cause the Syrian conflict. There were a number of internal affair issues that lead to a whole bunch of Syrians rising up before the US ever took a second look at Syria.
 
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