War in Ukraine

[NorthDallas40]

BREAKING: Biden Admin Can’t Account for $20 Billion in Aid to Ukraine

We should have stuck to just tangible goods. While I don’t underestimate the DoD’s ability to lose equipment (see the failed audit posts) tanks are much more tangible and traceable than pallets of money.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I'd bet you can't find true fiscal accountability in any bureaucracy, and the military has been turned into another huge federal bureaucracy. When you consider where and how military assets are used, it's probably a lot easier to understand how things can go missing or be destroyed without really accurate recordkeeping ... lives are more important than record books. However the bigger losses probably happen well away from the field.

Any time a serialized piece of government equipment is moved or changes hands a DD-250 is supposed to be filled out. And I’m pretty sure that’s an automated system now too. Yet…here we are

 

[norrislakevol]

I'd bet you can't find true fiscal accountability in any bureaucracy, and the military has been turned into another huge federal bureaucracy. When you consider where and how military assets are used, it's probably a lot easier to understand how things can go missing or be destroyed without really accurate recordkeeping ... lives are more important than record books. However the bigger losses probably happen well away from the field.

Yup, has been for years.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I know you have, and I've agreed with you on some of it from time to time. However, you've been railing about anybody older, the military, and almost anybody that slightly disagrees with you. I doubt that you will find the military lobbying congress to go fight somewhere - perhaps defense contractors do want a broader market for their goods just like all people selling goods and services. I also don't think "intervention" is precisely generational; I do think there's a lot of envy and "I want mine" in the newer generations; so you are less willing to lend a helping hand when needed.

I'm not sure what you mean in this last sentence.

If you want to go to the failed diplomacy bandwagon again, stop and consider the ivy league cycle of idiocy that teaches "young diplomats" to go do precisely what their last generations of failures have done. Makes you think diplomacy is something innate in human beings and not something teachable - at least by the same tired rejects with the same tired philosophies.

It isn't that hard. You need to be trustworthy and willing to give up a little to get something from the other side. The USS Missouri unconditional surrender has spoiled us into thinking that we can continue on with one sided negotiating and getting things on our terms all of the time. If we actually had real honest diplomats that aimed for mutually beneficial deals, then this country would be much better off.

 

[evillawyer]

The mainstream media hasn't talked about Bakhmut this entire time. But now they are discussing it? That must mean it is about to fall pretty soon.

Dear Lord, I've been reading about Bakhmut for 3 months.

 

[Orangeburst]

Dear Lord, I've been reading about Trump for 7 years.

 

[evillawyer]

Man, so much wasted comedic talent. How do you live with yourself knowing the great comic you could have been?

 

[Orangeburst]

Man, so much wasted comedic talent. How do you live with yourself knowing the great comic you could have been?

Jesus blessed me...





Booo!

 

[USF grad in TN]

We should have stuck to just tangible goods. While I don’t underestimate the DoD’s ability to lose equipment (see the failed audit posts) tanks are much more tangible and traceable than pallets of money.

I don't think this means that 20 billion was stolen or blew away in the wind. I think it means 20 billion, including equipment, went out and we can't produce an audit report that documents everything. It sounds more dramatic and gets more clicks if the title makes it sound like we lost the whole 20 billion. I agree that we need good accountability.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I don't think this means that 20 billion was stolen or blew away in the wind. I think it means 20 billion, including equipment, went out and we can't produce an audit report that documents everything. It sounds more dramatic and gets more clicks if the title makes it sound like we lost the whole 20 billion. I agree that we need good accountability.

I think you’re likely right. But it is a valid gripe. With this kind of money and equipment going out either the storage location or transfer date and individual should be available if requested. It’s idiotic to think this wouldn’t be scrutinized

 

[evillawyer]

Hey @Rasputin_Vol, your purveyor of Russian egg porn is back! The 8:22 point. Be sure to bring an old sock so you don't stain your undies.

I must say, in the history of punchable faces, this guy is easily in the top 5.

 

[DonjoVol]

Oh another thing. At the O-4 and down grades a lot of those guys and gals actually have working skills and knowledge that cross over well. One of the best software engineers that I worked with who understood the community was a retired E8. But I’d guess most O6’s and all stars have minimal working skill and their only use is influence and connections. You see it over and over.

Did some retired O6 or O5 get hired for a position you wanted? It's just very strange as to why you are still talking about retired military officers. Sounds like you're very jealous of their success in their careers.

 

[DonjoVol]

Now apply this same logic to Russia.

Russias MIC is controlled by oligarchs aligned with Putin. They also wanted a war to justify increased spending. They have a long history of maintaining these frozen conflicts to maintain spending. And they clearly fear monger the US every chance they get to keep the public blind to their spending. Russia spends more of their GDP on their military than we do. Which is saying something. 4.1 vs 3.3, and 2.5 required by NATO.

Ranked: Top 10 Countries by Military Spending

I would be careful throwing rocks in your glass house.

We're not talking about Russia here. We are talking about the United State's MIC which you and others are quick to defend.

And now I realize why some of you trolls are quick to defend billions spent to this proxy war.

 

[DonjoVol]

Lol.

1. Russia wanted to join NATO as recently as 2002, that invalidates any concern of NATO moving west.
1b. The last time, pre Finland, NATO moved on Russias border was the same 2002. 20 years ago. Hard to justify Russias being upset by something they wanted at the same time.
2. Obama didnt force Yanukovich to sign anything, as he did not sign anything. Except with Russia.
2b. As you constantly ignore Yanokuvich actually ran on a campaign of closer ties to the west.
2c. The proposed deal did not in any way, shape, or form, limit trade with Russia. If you bothered to read it, you would know this. All it did was expand Ukraines market opportunities.
2d. If you needed further proof of this, where is this trade deal after Yanukovich was run out of town? Seems like if the coup was done to get in an anti Russian trade deal, that trade deal would be in place now. It doesnt exist. Or at least didnt pre feb 2022. You are missing a very key piece of your conspiracy. You dont have a smoking gun, or even a gun, or even a shooting.
3. Nuland had a phone call after the "coup" discussing who the new leader would be. That is not nefarious in the slightest. It's hard job to know who is going to be in charge so they can know how our relations are going to look. Any nations state department was going to be discussing this with their ambassador to Ukraine.
3b. Nulands cookies is the lamest continuous argument you guys make.
3c. It wasnt a coup. His government went through the legal process of removing him. In this "coup" means Russia didnt like the results.
3d. There have been two elections and two different presidents since the "coup". Seems like the democratic process has played out. And somehow, dispite you claiming wide spread Russian support we have not seen any major pro Russian parties gaining support, even before 2022. So even on the local level, no one wants Russia.

You are the one ignoring facts. You wont back up your arguments with anything, you will just say "sheeple" and avoid actual discussion. You ignore, deflect, twist and play the victim to avoid discussing the actual facts or providing actual support for your arguments. Maybe if you didnt hide behind the ignore function you would learn something.

So why did your pal Zelensky feel the need to ban supposed pro Russian political parties in Ukraine? That's the kind of move a communist or fascist dictator would pull and you and others supported that move. I guess you trolls do love totalitarian regimes after all.

 

[DonjoVol]

I’m not shocked you’d call it the stupidest take since you have zero reading comprehension you illiterate troll.

His first reference to the newfound armaments industry.


He points to the obvious risk of undue influence

He issues the charge to not get too close to this needed industry and maintain the proper neutrality in oversight as there will be wanted as well unwanted solicitation IE lobbying. That’s present in every single industry today Curly.

And the fact that you can’t recognize the inbreeding in general officers with executive suites and boards resulting in compromised neutrality and lack of oversight indicates how truly clueless you are.

He was warning people about the potential power of the military industrial complex. His words couldn't be more clear. We have Vietnam and other conflicts we've been involved since Ike was President as a prime example. We can definitely go into more details if you like. Your interpretation of his speech is by far the most stupid and absurd interpretation I've heard yet.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Did some retired O6 or O5 get hired for a position you wanted? It's just very strange as to why you are still talking about retired military officers. Sounds like you're very jealous of their success in their careers.

No but many actually worked to get me assigned on whatever fiasco they had made over the years to clean up. But that’s ok that’s why they paid me the big bucks and we had plenty of idiots around from all walks of life to make sure I was gainfully employed.

But let’s focus on the primary rank I called out Curly. General/admiral. I thought you were all about Eisenhower’s speech as his warning of undue influence between the military and the industry? How can a general officer provide oversight of a program or programs when they are more focused on kissing the company’s ass to get a retirement gig? It is the most obvious conflict of interest that two pages ago you were going thru clutched pearls at an amazing rate

 

[NorthDallas40]

He was warning people about the potential power of the military industrial complex. His words couldn't be more clear. We have Vietnam and other conflicts we've been involved since Ike was President as a prime example. We can definitely go into more details if you like. Your interpretation of his speech is by far the most stupid and absurd interpretation I've heard yet.

No he wasn’t Einstein. I linked the paragraphs from his actual speech. He was clearly charging the government employees and military to not let the industry have undue influence over them. That responsibility lies with those conducting the oversight. I realize you aren’t smart enough to dissect what he was actually saying though you just have your troll dog whistle talking points

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex

Who was he talking to Curly? “WE”. He is charging those tasked with oversight to in fact do their jobs.

Just read it, think about it a while, then use your words to see if you can finally understand who the hell he was talking to and what he was saying.

 

[volfanhill]

No he wasn’t Einstein. I linked the paragraphs from his actual speech. He was clearly charging the government employees and military to not let the industry have undue influence over them. That responsibility lies with those conducting the oversight. I realize you aren’t smart enough to dissect what he was actually saying though you just have your troll dog whistle talking points

You are missing the true point here. If you take his speech, and rearrange the letters in the words he spoke, you clearly get "Russia will save us from the gay Nazis brought upon the world by the US MIC." It was a coded message. Write his speech down and see if I am wrong.

 

[NorthDallas40]

You are missing the true point here. If you take his speech, and rearrange the letters in the words he spoke, you clearly get "Russia will save us from the gay Nazis brought upon the world by the US MIC." It was a coded message. Write his speech down and see if I am wrong.

In Curly’s defense I don’t think he’s shown the mental capacity to digest what the message really is and is just once again going off a stooge talking point cheat sheet

 

[zeppelin128]

We should have stuck to just tangible goods. While I don’t underestimate the DoD’s ability to lose equipment (see the failed audit posts) tanks are much more tangible and traceable than pallets of money.

Admit it, you are just trying to lift a lost tank.

 

[AM64]

Apparently there is some dedication in the Russian Army after all.

Widow of Russian colonel who shot himself with 5 bullets writes letter to Putin

 

[NorthDallas40]

Admit it, you are just trying to lift a lost tank.

I think every neighborhood watch should have their own M1.

“WE SAID MOW YOUR DAMN GRASS LEON!”

 

[zeppelin128]

So why did your pal Zelensky feel the need to ban supposed pro Russian political parties in Ukraine? That's the kind of move a communist or fascist dictator would pull and you and others supported that move. I guess you trolls do love totalitarian regimes after all.

Not sure a Russian simp gets to throw this stone, but have at it I guess.

 

[DonjoVol]

In Curly’s defense I don’t think he’s shown the mental capacity to digest what the message really is and is just once again going off a stooge talking point cheat sheet

You're the only person interpreting Eisenhower's speech totally wrong. Even historians would laugh at your interpretation. You really should stick to engineering.

I think it's also safe to say when Eisenhower was speaking of an "alert and knowledgeable citizenry" he didn't have you in mind.

And not only are you still upset over those pizza delivery drivers and wheat exports but you're obviously also still upset that a retired Air Force Lt Colonel or Navy Commander got some promotion instead of you a decade or two ago.

 

[Velo Vol]

If there is justice in this world, they will be.