War in Ukraine

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LouderVol said:
Please, you tried to justify independence based on something that didnt even last 2 months.

While at the same time arguing that Ukraine has only existed for 30 years, timeline is wrong but moving past that, and so Ukraine shouldnt be considered sovereign.
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Once again you misinterpreted what I said. You guys really need to work on your reading comprehension skills. I said historically that region known as Donbass was never a part of what is now Ukraine. It wasn't actually part of Ukraine until Lenin made it part of Ukraine. Crimea was added to Ukraine later on.

Also if you look at an old map of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania you'll notice that most of the part of Eastern Ukraine that is occupied by Russia as well as Crimea didnt belong to the Grand Duchy of Lithuania.

There was also forced Ukrainization for some groups that actually occurred under the Soviet Union. I'll share a video later that explains this more in a little detail. Now whether you and others want to watch historically accurate videos is up to you guys. Some of you are way far set in your ways that I think it might be impossible for your brains to absorb anymore information.
 
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illumiVOLi said:
Politicians love the Military Industrial Complex. Lines their pockets, lines their friends pockets and they get to sabre rattle. The war in Ukraine is a joke. Should just have let Vlad do Vlad. But, the US loves a little bit of regime change, meddling in other countries affairs and printing out money to give to crooks while telling us all how important this is war is and that we must defend Ukraine til the bitter end. Ok. Wonder why Dems are so quick to “support” Ukraine because they can’t let a crisis go to waste.
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Uh oh. You done went and it did now. Be prepared for these Ukrainian trolls here to jump on you like a pack of hyenas.

But I agree with everything you said. And it's funny how some of these supposed anti war Democrats now fully support this conflict.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Once again you misinterpreted what I said. You guys really need to work on your reading comprehension skills. I said historically that region known as Donbass was never a part of what is now Ukraine. It wasn't actually part of Ukraine until Lenin made it part of Ukraine. Crimea was added to Ukraine later on.

Also if you look at an old map of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania you'll notice that most of the part of Eastern Ukraine that is occupied by Russia as well as Crimea didnt belong to the Grand Duchy of Lithuania.

There was also forced Ukrainization for some groups that actually occurred under the Soviet Union. I'll share a video later that explains this more in a little detail. Now whether you and others want to watch historically accurate videos is up to you guys. Some of you are way far set in your ways that I think it might be impossible for your brains to absorb anymore information.
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If by forced Ukrainization under the Soviets you mean the soviets were displacing non Ukrainians to make room for more Russians then yes. Or if you are referring to the Soviets in the late 80s allowing more of the Ukrainian culture to be allowed including renaming some towns and roads, I know how much you love those, then also yes. Otherwise consider me doubtful of any widespread campaign. I cant wait for your propaganda piece, probably wont be able to watch it immediately but i will try to get back to it.

Before the referendum you definitely used the ill fated DPR, which would have been getting its independence from RUSSIA, as justification for the modern Dontesk to be free from Ukraine. Ignoring that historically that were attempting independence from Russia. They were given to Ukraine because they didnt want to be part of Russia, and the men from that area largely fought with the Black Army, which was made up of the people that now make up Ukraine.

The grand Dutchy of Lithunia is irrelevant. Unless Poland, or Lithunia, was to invade Ukraine as you guys promised. Lithunia isnt part of this mess thankfully, and Poland is also thankfully staying out of it.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
There was also another major warning in his speech. The government taking over and driving the civilian research and development and the money pit that was going to be. I’d guess that was rooted in the massive monies spent on the Manhattan Project. And then in the term following Ike’s we got the space race from Kennedy. Both highly useful and needed research efforts and both massive spending efforts bending civilian scientific professionals to the government agenda and paid for with government funding.

In both cases he called neither a boogeyman. He pointed out they are in fact needed but don’t become beholding to them.
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Some of the cost problem has to do with trying to make huge jumps in military hardware. A couple of examples are the extremely expensive F-22 and F-35. Capable probably, but really TBD. I'll give an example from my background in developing a system for use in nuclear power plants. A Loose Part Monitoring System (LPMS) is used to detect the presence of and hopefully determine the damage potential of anything that has broken loose within the reactor coolant system. It consists of accelerometers at strategic points on the system, the necessary instrumentation, and generally some diagnostic tools. The early systems were analog, the system if it sensed anything similar to an impact set off an alarm, and with most systems an operator could listen to an audio monitor for impacting. Most systems added tape recorders - problematic when most recorders didn't do more than four channels and an LPMS had between 10 and 20 channels - largely depending on the manufacturer.

Within a few years, digital advances gave the potential for better discrimination ... fewer false alarms, and the potential to give the order in which channels went into alarm - the ability to determine where the sensed noise was loudest and time differential to triangulate the source. Recording was still a huge problem. If there was one impact like event, it was gone before the tape recorder ever got started, and the ability to digitize and store the data was well into the future. In my last job digital technology began to catch up with the needs. We could store digitized signals (roughly audio range - up to 20KHZ) - just not much at a time. There was still a problem with recording time, and most of all inability to record the initiating event. One day it clicked for me - back to time delay technology for moving target displays in radar. Why not digitally delay each output for some set period of time like 5-10 seconds and record the delayed signal, based on an alarm from the un-delayed signals. Worked like a charm the system alarmed, started the tape recorders which were up to speed when the delayed impact reached them. Now with far better processing power and tons of storage, you don't even need the analog recorders.

The point is sometimes what you want or need to do isn't technically feasible. Instead of trying to deliver a hugely complex and expensive system before the technology is really there. Why not build a modular basic system that can be upgraded as technology allows or becomes available. Just recently guys in an F-35 came up with a new data recording system to replace an huge and insanely expensive system $230K vs $25M each and reasonable in size and weight. This is an example of something driven from the bottom up rather than the top down; an example of something we can do in the future but not properly now; and an example of people who really understand the issue being the ones to develop the solution. Let's build the basic plane and add some of the bells and whistles as modular addons instead impacting the system with huge up front costs for things that might not be the best way to go, aren't fully developed, and take advantage of the fact that not all technologies follow the same time development path.

Right now the AF is trying to dump the F-22 because several of the systems are outdated while the plane itself is apparently still extremely competent. What if the plane was considered one item and target acquisition and weapons systems were separate items - the ability to remove one APQ whatever and install a newer one. Reasonably updatable electronics in the same airframe - it's done now, but why not planned to do it more efficiently. For the most part electronics are decreasing in size rather than requiring more space. We get all choked up on trying to do everything at once rather than a bit at a time. Specify and build the basic prototype; then figure out if you've got something useful and what you can then do with it. And for once in the present time, build something to do one thing right at reasonable cost and quit trying to build flying Swiss Army knives.
 
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"...That, Russian political analysts say, will be catastrophic for Putin and the Kremlin, who have banked Russia’s global capital on winning the war against Ukraine. They told CNBC that anxiety was rising in Moscow over how the war was progressing.

“Since September, I see a lot of changes [in Russia] and a lot of fears,” Tatiana Stanovaya, a nonresident scholar at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and founder and head of political analysis firm R.Politik, told CNBC.

“For the first time since the war started people are beginning to consider the worst-case scenario, that Russia can lose, and they don’t see and don’t understand how Russia can get out from this conflict without being destroyed. People are very anxious, they believe that what is going on is a disaster,” she said Monday."
 
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IluvdoubleD's said:
Congrats to what is possibly the dumbest animal on the planet.. the russians, for starting the robot wars. They are now sending in armed robots to the field. View attachment 519208
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"It is a good thing war is so terrible, est we would grow too fond of it."

The robot wars were coming no matter who started them. war is about to become a spectator sport shown live on TV.

And I am pretty sure we have been using UAVs for a while to kill people.
 
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IluvdoubleD's said:
Congrats to what is possibly the dumbest animal on the planet.. the russians, for starting the robot wars. They are now sending in armed robots to the field. View attachment 519208
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That's when you can really get into the MIC issue. When you have no skin in the game and just send out toys to destroy each other. Gotta be the dumbest development in warfare since warfare itself was first a thing.

Have to say, though, that the thing in the picture looks to be more a pack mule to carry equipment for troops perhaps a machine gun to be manned. Not a totally bad idea if it will go where it's needed.
 
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AM64 said:
That's when you can really get into the MIC issue. When you have no skin in the game and just send out toys to destroy each other. Gotta be the dumbest development in warfare since warfare itself was first a thing.

Have to say, though, that the thing in the picture looks to be more a pack mule to carry equipment for troops perhaps a machine gun to be manned. Not a totally bad idea if it will go where it's needed.
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They say AI is the big thing..Musk commented on it..We are obsoleting humanity. Like Sci Fi comes to life.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Oh I can guarantee you my grasp of history is much better than yours. Not only on politics but religion and sports as well. That's not something you want to start questioning me on. I'll embarrass you like I've done plenty on this forum.
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I expect a two thousand word essay on the collapse of the Ottoman Empire during WWI and the impact it had on Russian brothels by midnight.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Uh oh. You done went and it did now. Be prepared for these Ukrainian trolls here to jump on you like a pack of hyenas.

But I agree with everything you said. And it's funny how some of these supposed anti war Democrats now fully support this conflict.
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Seems as if that changed over the last 20 years. The dems joined many of the republicans in their love for war.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Oh I'm very aware of that. They are now the party of neocons. This would also explain their sudden love for Bush and McCain while Trump was president.
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Precisely. Their love for expensive, perpetual war is mind blowing. When war is needed, kill the enemy without mercy, and then go home. No games, no setting up governments, no building schools.....nothing but tumble weeds left.
 
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