War in Ukraine

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AM64 said:
In a lot of ways we simply used the Russians in WW2 the same way we are using Ukraine now. We supported Russia as a means to destroy an enemy. It's hard to say what might have been in WW2 without the second front that helped destroy Nazi Germany. There's a distinct parallel to providing arms and supplies in a similar way to allow Ukraine to at least semi neuter a power that needs to go away forever. I guess the only thing better would have been a Sino - Soviet war with mutual self destruction.
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This is probably the most important and most honest post in this thread. It was never about Ukrainian sovereignty. It was about using the Ukrainians as a battering ram. They are going to fight to the last Ukrainian and @AM64 just comes out and openly says it.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
This is probably the most important and most honest post in this thread. It was never about Ukrainian sovereignty. It was about using the Ukrainians as a battering ram. They are going to fight to the last Ukrainian and @AM64 just comes out and openly says it.
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You missed the key point. Nazi Germany and now Russia were the aggressors. Two animals threatening the world around them. We have no direct reason to dial Russia back on our own, and neither does NATO, but there's nothing wrong with supporting a wronged country. There's an extra benefit if the invader is our enemy to boot. You are reading my comment as we supported a first strike Ukraine going after Russia which is not the intent or the case.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Nah he won’t be around long enough he doesn’t have the intestinal fortitude for it. You aren’t smart enough to know any better 🤡
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Apparently you aren't smart enough to follow real news and real journalism. Real news like The New Atlas and real journalists like Jimmy Dore. If you did then you would be a little more educated on this topic.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Yep. Because it’s factual. Well it isn’t a coup. It was a lawful parliamentary action to remove Yanukovych as proscribed in their constitution. You clowns are in the wrong claiming otherwise.
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It was a coup. Let me spell that out in all caps for you then maybe you'll understand it a little better. COUP.

You want me to post that Nuland phone call for you again?
 
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DonjoVol said:
Apparently you aren't smart enough to follow real news and real journalism. Real news like The New Atlas and real journalists like Jimmy Dore. If you did then you would be a little more educated on this topic.
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It apparently hasn’t worked for your thick headed smooth brain Curly 🤡
 
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AM64 said:
You missed the key point. Nazi Germany and now Russia were the aggressors. Two animals threatening the world around them. We have no direct reason to dial Russia back on our own, and neither does NATO, but there's nothing wrong with supporting a wronged country. There's an extra benefit if the invader is our enemy to boot. You are reading my comment as we supported a first strike Ukraine going after Russia which is not the intent or the case.
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Oh we both know he’ll interpret in whatever way he needs to in order to push whatever stupid as wrong talking point he’s pushing.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Oh we both know he’ll interpret in whatever way he needs to in order to push whatever stupid as wrong talking point he’s pushing.
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When you get an answer like this, you know somebody isn't being honest or not playing with a full deck:
The US, British, Israelis and KSA... those are the 4 horsemen. I don't just single out the US.
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When you've got most of Africa, the Middle East, South and Central American banana republics, N Korea, Myanmar/Burma, China, Russia, a big swath of Eastern Europe, and miscellaneous others to choose from, and those are "the four", something's seriously off kilter.
 
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Pacer92 said:
What part of a geopolitics do you not understand Jo Bob?!

A coup financed and orchestrated by the west on a pro-Kremlin government would essentially hand over a Russian naval base in Sevastopol to NATO…

That’s like Russia taking over one in Victoria, BC….

Wasn’t going to happen.
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Funny stuff. Especially the part where you forget Ukraine is a sovereign country not some Russian puppet.

By your logic, the United States should have invaded our former colony Philippines when they kicked us out of Subic Bay Naval Base.

Good news is you ain't in charge. Best news is you're a sliver minority of US public sentiment.
 
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AM64 said:
You missed the key point. Nazi Germany and now Russia were the aggressors. Two animals threatening the world around them. We have no direct reason to dial Russia back on our own, and neither does NATO, but there's nothing wrong with supporting a wronged country. There's an extra benefit if the invader is our enemy to boot. You are reading my comment as we supported a first strike Ukraine going after Russia which is not the intent or the case.
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[QUOTE="DonjoVol, post: 22201145, member: 53242"]It was a coup. Let me spell that out in all caps for you then maybe you'll understand it a little better. COUP.

You want me to post that Nuland phone call for you again?[/QUOTE]

Agreed. It was a coup.

Question: If Biden directed our armed forces to kill peaceful American protesters, would you support his ouster?
 
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MontyPython said:
DonjoVol said:
It was a coup. Let me spell that out in all caps for you then maybe you'll understand it a little better. COUP.

You want me to post that Nuland phone call for you again?
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Agreed. It was a coup.

Question: If Biden directed our armed forces to kill peaceful American protesters, would you support his ouster?
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It was a revolution.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Just a reminder, this guy called the Syrian government, “democratically elected” in the past.
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It was democratically elected.

And are you aware that Assad had to fight off both ISIS and Al Qaeda? Would you have preferred one of those two groups control Syria?
 
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MontyPython said:
[QUOTE="DonjoVol, post: 22201145, member: 53242"]It was a coup. Let me spell that out in all caps for you then maybe you'll understand it a little better. COUP.

You want me to post that Nuland phone call for you again?
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It was a coup..

Yanukovych didn’t direct it. Evidence overwhelmingly points to a false flag led by coup plotters.
 
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Pacer92 said:
Still going for the ole coup is a legit, lawful orchestration and a referendum isn’t, eh? Jeez..

Again, how is it that a 100k people can protest government and have a say over all of Ukraine…and a few million Easter Ukrainians don’t have the same right? Not all on Zelensky, but the Russian language, books, civilians and more recently churches have all came under attack in this totalitarian state that is Ukraine now. Not to mention the bombing for 8 years…all while disregarding peaceful channels..
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Lol. 100k showed up in person, for weeks on end while getting shot at. Your several millions were held at gun point by the Russians, and never produced crowds of 100k. There is a huge difference in showing up on your own, and being forced to vote at gunpoint.

And it's funny you bring up Zelensky as the problem because he wasnt in charge in 2014. He wasnt elected until 2019. How can you blame him for stuff before he was president? This is how I know you guys are full of it with huge gaping holes in logic like this.

The 14000 dead was the total from BOTH sides. Meaning those rebels fought back. The russians never left, never pulled back their military. They also kept up the firing after Minsk 2, and you would have to be omniscient to claim to know which side actually broke it first. Regardless both broke it. So you arent going to win anything by bringing up Minsk.
 
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