War in Ukraine

[LouderVol]

How about letting the people of Crimea, Donbas and other parts of Eastern Ukraine determine their own fate. Are you anti freedom as well? Plus none of this would have happened if the U.S. and other western nations got involved in Ukraine and helped lead a coup to oust a democratically elected president in Yanukovych.

Wait, you are still pissed the guy the 2004 orange revolution installed got removed.

Just using your logic with Zelensky and applying it to when we really got involved.

Also never saw you address that 11 billion we sent to Russia's NGOs to get Putin elected.

Dodge, dip, duck, dive and dodge.

 

[FLVOL_79]

What exactly has Russia done to the United States to make them our enemy?

lol

 

[LouderVol]

So you think it's perfectly fine for Biden to threaten to withhold aid unless a prosecutor was fired? Or how about John McCain going on one of our major news networks talking about how Ukraine needed IMF loans? Are you okay with that as well? Sounds like the U.S. and other European nations were strong arming in their economic decision making and threatening to withhold aid unless certain decisions were made on their end.

After the Western backed coup happened the people of Crimea, Luhansk and Donetsk decided they didn't want to be a part of Ukraine. Why can't that be their decision?

Why only list Biden for wanting a prosecutor fired? Trump also did the same. It was one of the reasons the Ds wanted him impeached.

A speech about IMF loans? You are really reaching for that one. I dont see how that is a problem. And if your supposition was that we forced Ukraine to take it to get them under our thumb, you would be wrong. They never took an IMF loan until Russia was occupying their land. And speaking of forced loans, what about Russia buying up 15 billion of Ukrainian debt in 2013? You dont think that was shady interference? Strong arming the Ukrainians.

Russia offers Ukraine major economic assistance

Why couldnt Russia let the people of Belarus or Kazakhstan decide what they want? Why couldnt they decide?

The people of the lands you listed didnt decide. They were occupied. Had their leaders expelled or killed, and were told what to say under gun point. In no way, shape, or form, would anyone consider their path to "freedom" legitimate. There is no way you would accept the US occupying parts of mexico, kicking out local officials, and then holding a referendum where the only choice was to leave Ukraine. So why do you accept Russia doing that?

 

[NorthDallas40]

Faberge eggs

Well they aren’t what they used to be Moe you shoulda tried for real eggs.

Fabergé Easter Metal Egg - Chocolate-filled 160 g - Prokofiev #12 • ROY chocolatier

 

[LouderVol]

You will never get an answer to that. Since 1776, Russia has been our ally and peaceful to us tyhe entire time... yes, even during the cold war.

Except for all the very real wars we fought. You know because proxy wars are real wars between the two proxy'ers.

 

[DonjoVol]

lol

Can't answer the question?

 

[DonjoVol]

Faberge eggs

Don't forget about the "sack of potatoes".

 

[Gandalf]

You will never get an answer to that. Since 1776, Russia has been our ally and peaceful to us tyhe entire time... yes, even during the cold war.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Don't forget about the "sack of potatoes".

A sack of potatoes is a helluva lot more likely than your fellow stooge’s reply Curly.

 

[evillawyer]

 

[Vol737]

Dear President Vucic,

Please remain away from all windows. We also advise you to limit your presence to first floors ONLY of any building.

 

[OrangeBoro]

What are some of you wanting, war with Russia? Keep sending blank checks?

 

[LouderVol]

What are some of you wanting, war with Russia? Keep sending blank checks?

What we want is Russia out of Ukraine. Some are willing to put up with more than others to get that goal. But I think everyone would be happy to cut off everything going to Ukraine as soon as the Russian leave.

 

[OrangeBoro]

What we want is Russia out of Ukraine. Some are willing to put up with more than others to get that goal. But I think everyone would be happy to cut off everything going to Ukraine as soon as the Russian leave.

So for now continue to send billions?

 

[LouderVol]

So for now continue to send billions?

That's what people voted for. We keep electing crap and untold billions is what we are going to lose and keep losing.

I think pretty much everyone here has a different way they would have handled things if we were in charge.

I have said from the start, I wouldnt have given Ukraine any money, and I would have made them buy everything, even if it was under some type of WW2 lend-lease program, or very favorable cost.

But for many of us, our leaders doing something we dont agree with doesnt change that we see Ukraine as someone worth helping.

 

[Volsdeep4]

Moldova's Sandu asks allies for air defences, says Russia trying to destabilise country

Moldova asking the USA for air defense systems cuz of Russia

 

[Septic]

You will never get an answer to that. Since 1776, Russia has been our ally and peaceful to us tyhe entire time... yes, even during the cold war.

 

[VolStrom]

We can't keep our warmongering politicians out of a war because there is too much money to be had for the puppet operators.

 

[Orangeburst]

Anybody that thinks the massive rebuild money will not occur is fooling themselves.

 

[tvolsfan]

What we want is Russia out of Ukraine. Some are willing to put up with more than others to get that goal. But I think everyone would be happy to cut off everything going to Ukraine as soon as the Russian leave.

Ukraine will need some level of investment after, unfortunately. The good news is that’s the part Germany and France may actually be willing to help with.

Of course, this is all conditional on Ukraine surviving the war as an independent country. Otherwise, Russia will pay whatever it costs to turn Ukraine into a glorified Potemkin village.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Ukraine will need some level of investment after, unfortunately. The good news is that’s the part Germany and France may actually be willing to help with.

And if they don't?

 

[tvolsfan]

And if they don't?

Then the EU is substantially weakened as an institution. That scares Macron and Scholz more than actually standing up to Putin.

 

[Orangeburst]

And if they don't?

Uncle Sam will not I repeat will not take a back seat on the charity. Now how much who knows..but I would expect hundreds of billions will be collectively necessary.

 

[hog88]

Anybody that thinks the massive rebuild money will not occur is fooling themselves.

yep, we'll be laundering money through Ukraine for decades to come.

 

[VolStrom]

yep, we'll be laundering money through Ukraine for decades to come.

I like how the politicians are reducing the numbers for aid down to a few billion, but increase them to every few days to a week.
I don't know how to clean house of our politicians, but they all need to go.