War in Ukraine

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Orangeburst said:
After the dissolution of the USSR..Russia hasn't been relevant to our lives more than the output of oil and how it affects our price of gas. They are showing their fecklessness. Albeit with our arms to show it.

I just hope it ends soon. Egos have caused worse.
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If we’d kept our damn nose out of it in 1994 and stopped trying to say who can and can’t have nukes we wouldn’t be in this mess likely.

And Russia is still our 2nd biggest geopolitical threat. They just aren’t #1 anymore. But we still routinely bump political and economic heads.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
If we’d kept our damn nose out of it in 1994 and stopped trying to say who can and can’t have nukes we wouldn’t be in this mess likely.

And Russia is still our 2nd biggest geopolitical threat. They just aren’t #1 anymore. But we still routinely bump political and economic heads.
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What exactly has Russia done to the United States to make them our enemy?
 
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DonjoVol said:
What exactly has Russia done to the United States to make them our enemy?
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You mean other than be diametrically opposed to us across the board on pretty much every geopolitical topic since WW2? The US and your counrty don’t like each other. Never will. As well as being the entire reason the world had to deal with this Ukraine fiasco.

What has Ukraine done that warrants Russia invading and taking their land? And you’re not allowed to use Nazis or western death cults or non existent US coups in your answers
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
You mean other than be diametrically opposed to us across the board on pretty much every geopolitical topic since WW2? The US and your counrty don’t like each other. Never will. As well as being the entire reason the world had to deal with this Ukraine fiasco.

What has Ukraine done that warrants Russia invading and taking their land? And you’re not allowed to use Nazis or western death cults or non existent US coups in your answers
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And many of our political leaders here in the U.S. are still opposed to Russia ever since the Soviet Union ceased to exist. And once again I'm going to ask you. What exactly have they done to the U.S. that warrants this aggression?

And what reason did our political leaders, like our current president, have for using strong arm tactics on Ukraine like threatening to withhold aid unless a prosecutor was fired?

And sorry to inform you but your tooth fairy Nazis are no saints. Killing and shelling civilians in the Donbass since 2014.
 
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utvolpj said:
No you called for surrender to mother Russia. There's a huge difference
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How about letting the people of Crimea, Donbas and other parts of Eastern Ukraine determine their own fate. Are you anti freedom as well? Plus none of this would have happened if the U.S. and other western nations got involved in Ukraine and helped lead a coup to oust a democratically elected president in Yanukovych.
 
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DonjoVol said:
And many of our political leaders here in the U.S. are still opposed to Russia ever since the Soviet Union ceased to exist. And once again I'm going to ask you. What exactly have they done to the U.S. that warrants this aggression?

And what reason did our political leaders, like our current president, have for using strong arm tactics on Ukraine like threatening to withhold aid unless a prosecutor was fired?

And sorry to inform you but your tooth fairy Nazis are no saints. Killing and shelling civilians in the Donbass since 2014.
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The answer was there. You just can’t comprehend it. Russia chose to put themselves at odds with us due to their invented reasons to invade. We are obligated. As is the UK. I guess Europe just don’t want a bunch of invading asshat trash in their neighborhood.

And it didn’t go unnoticed that went you can’t use your made up stupid 💩 to justify Russia’s land grab you have no answer.
 
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DonjoVol said:
You really aren't very bright.

By the way. I've been calling for peace from day one. Unlike some of your fellow Zelensky loving pals here who have some strange daily fantasies about Putin and Russians dying.
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Most people don't want them to die, they want them to go home....... But so long as they are the invasion force I would rather they die than the alternative. I want them to go home in peace. Sadly Putin won't let that happen.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
The answer was there. You just can’t comprehend it. Russia chose to put themselves at odds with us due to their invented reasons to invade. We are obligated. As is the UK. I guess Europe just don’t want a bunch of invading asshat trash in their neighborhood.

And it didn’t go unnoticed that went you can’t use your made up stupid 💩 to justify Russia’s land grab you have no answer.
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So you think it's perfectly fine for Biden to threaten to withhold aid unless a prosecutor was fired? Or how about John McCain going on one of our major news networks talking about how Ukraine needed IMF loans? Are you okay with that as well? Sounds like the U.S. and other European nations were strong arming in their economic decision making and threatening to withhold aid unless certain decisions were made on their end.

After the Western backed coup happened the people of Crimea, Luhansk and Donetsk decided they didn't want to be a part of Ukraine. Why can't that be their decision?
 
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DonjoVol said:
So you think it's perfectly fine for Biden to threaten to withhold aid unless a prosecutor was fired? Or how about John McCain going on one of our major news networks talking about how Ukraine needed IMF loans? Are you okay with that as well? Sounds like we were strong arming in their economic decision making and threatening to withhold aid unless certain decisions were made on their end.

After the Western backed coup happened the people of Crimea, Luhansk and Donetsk decided they didn't want to be a part of Ukraine. Why can't that be their decision?
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I think all the people you listed are idiots. That doesn’t remove our obligations. Nor does it remove Russia’s obligations to the Budapest Memorandum or justify their invasion of Ukraine.

Russia chose to put themselves in this situation. And they are paying the price for their stupidity. Womp womp.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I think all the people you listed are idiots. That doesn’t remove our obligations. Nor does it remove Russia’s obligations to the Budapest Memorandum or justify their invasion of Ukraine.

Russia chose to put themselves in this situation. And they are paying the price for their stupidity. Womp womp.
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So it was okay for the U.S. to threaten Ukraine economically by threatening to withhold aid?
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Oh BTW if we’d had a ball sack in 2014 when Russia made their first land grab plays we could have very well avoided this current 💩 show I think also. Being wusses in 2014 and not adhering to our commitments emboldened Putin. And if we roll over again it could embolden Xi too.
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Land grab? So the people of Crimea voting to leave Ukraine was a land grab? Sounds like they were determining their own fate.
 
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DonjoVol said:
So it was okay for the U.S. to threaten Ukraine economically by threatening to withhold aid?
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Viktor Shokin was fired for not doing his job, which was to investigate and prosecute corruption in the Ukrainian government.

Guess how many cases he prosecuted: zero. In fact he actually undermined his reform-minded deputies who attempted to make headway in dealing with corruption.

The IMF also threatened to withhold $40 billion in funds unless Ukraine made a substantial effort to start tacking corruption in their public sector. Eventually Poroshenko had enough of him and asked him to resign.

But please continue to spew nonsense.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Oh yeah. This is who they like to name a stadium after in Ukraine. Apparently located on the Bandera memorial street there in Ternopil as well.

Roman Shukhevych Ternopil city stadium - Wikipedia

Roman Shukhevych - Wikipedia
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Lol. So out of a really really long list of what makes a Nazi we have: censorship of enemy media and parties WHILE IN A DEFENSIVE WAR, and naming some buildings. I mean those are clearly the two biggest identifiers of Nazism.

You realize those things arent why 99.999999999999999999999% of people hate the Nazis for, right?

Those arent war crimes, crimes against humanity, deadly, dehumanizing, racist unless you are BLM I guess, totalitarian, or any other adjective I can think of to describe actual Nazis.

You need to educate yourself on what actual Nazis do, and are known for. Because it's not naming some buildings after some guys who fought the Soviets.
 
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