War in Ukraine

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utvolpj said:
Politicians can't just straight up take the tax money so they send it thru a legit business (like ones in the mic, big pharma, etc) who then return the clean money back to the politicians in the firm of donations, free stuff, etc.
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First of all, that's not what "money laundering" is, the whole point of money laundering is to take funds generated from illegal enterprise, and make them look like they originate from a legitimate source.

What you are describing is just common graft via a kickback scheme, and as of yet, I've yet to see you or anyone else who makes this ignorant "money laundering" claim, show any sort of evidence that anyone in particular is getting some sort of direct benefit from US military hardware being sent to Ukraine under the lend-lease agreement.
 
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BeardedVol said:
First of all, that's not what "money laundering" is, the whole point of money laundering is to take funds generated from illegal enterprise, and make them look like they originate from a legitimate source.

What you are describing is just common graft via a kickback scheme, and as of yet, I've yet to see you or anyone else who makes this ignorant "money laundering" claim, show any sort of evidence that anyone in particular is getting some sort of direct benefit from US military hardware being sent to Ukraine under the lend-lease agreement.
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It is illegal when you believe our taxation process is theft.

The evidence you sell would be in the forms I mentioned - campaign contributions, free stuff, insider trading tips, etc. Some of that is even publicly available
 
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BeardedVol said:
First of all, that's not what "money laundering" is, the whole point of money laundering is to take funds generated from illegal enterprise, and make them look like they originate from a legitimate source.

What you are describing is just common graft via a kickback scheme, and as of yet, I've yet to see you or anyone else who makes this ignorant "money laundering" claim, show any sort of evidence that anyone in particular is getting some sort of direct benefit from US military hardware being sent to Ukraine under the lend-lease agreement.
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Aren't graft and kickback schemes illegal requiring the money to be laundered into clean money?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
"...the fight for Bakhmut will change the trajectory of our war for independence and freedom."
Volodymyr Zelensky

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There are worse things than holding a town for 6 months under constant pressure and having to successfully pull troops out to the next prepared defensive line.

What do you think taking Bakhmut will mean for the Russians? Is the line going to shift suddenly? Are the Russians going to have a break thru? Be able to launch some new offensive within a week to capitalize? Did they take a bunch of prisoners?

Holding for 6 months would certainly change any war imo. It was enough for the Finns to get a favorable peace treaty from the Winter War, even though they were next to broken.
 
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utvolpj said:
I don't insult people the way you do. If that's the persona you want them have at it but it's a terrible way to communicate. Even the ones you insult daily manage to stay above board which is interesting to watch you try harder every day

You keep saying to live up to commitments which misses my point entirely. We shouldn't make them in the first place then there's nothing to live up to. It's a simple point
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That’s hilarious as hell. Yes you do climb down into the mosh pit and you’re not telling the truth to claim you don’t. And for the ones I “insult daily” that’s agreed mutual conflict best I can tell. Which is fine by me.

You point is completely meaningless on why we shouldn’t live up to our prior commitments but I do look forward to your misguided self righteous reply on why I’m a meanie in trying yo refute that correct point I keep making over and over and over …
 
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utvolpj said:
It is illegal when you believe our taxation process is theft.

The evidence you sell would be in the forms I mentioned - campaign contributions, free stuff, insider trading tips, etc. Some of that is even publicly available
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Ok, so name the politicians receiving "campaign contributions, free stuff, insider trading tips" associated with US aid sent to Ukraine.
 
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hog88 said:
Aren't graft and kickback schemes illegal requiring the money to be laundered into clean money?
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Not really. Company bids for contract, politician uses their influence to ensure that said company gets contract, company uses money paid from that contract, to pay said politician in some form that is technically legal.

No need to "clean" money that's already coming form a legitimate source.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Not really. Company bids for contract, politician uses their influence to ensure that said company gets contract, company uses money paid from that contract, to pay said politician in some form that is technically legal.

No need to "clean" money that's already coming form a legitimate source.
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Dude, you just described money laundering.
 
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hog88 said:
Dude, you just described money laundering.
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No I didn't. It's a kickback, "negotiated bribery". There's nothing technically illegal about the source of the money. There's no need to obfuscate the source of the money, which is the entire point of money laundering.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Ok so show me this money trail, and explain how it works.
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Look Donjo, how am I supposed to show you a money trail?

How would it work, easy. We're talking about hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of disposable items being rushed to Ukraine, it's not all being inventoried. US pays XYZ manufacture for 10,000 pieces of whatever and only 8,000 are shipped. Money gets donated to a PAC and boom it's clean and usable.
 
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BeardedVol said:
No I didn't. It's a kickback, "negotiated bribery". There's nothing technically illegal about the source of the money. There's no need to obfuscate the source of the money, which is the entire point of money laundering.
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LOL
 
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hog88 said:
Look Donjo, how am I supposed to show you a money trail?

How would it work, easy. We're talking about hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of disposable items being rushed to Ukraine, it's not all being inventoried. US pays XYZ manufacture for 10,000 pieces of whatever and only 8,000 are shipped. Money gets donated to a PAC and boom it's clean and usable.
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Because if you are going to make the claim, you need some sort of evidence to back up that claim. Saying, "I know it in my heart of hearts" carries no weight in actual reality.
The Burden of Proof: Why People Should Support Their Claims – Effectiviology
 
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BeardedVol said:
Ok, so name the politicians receiving "campaign contributions, free stuff, insider trading tips" associated with US aid sent to Ukraine.
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The ones receiving money from the mic which you can look up . War profiteering needs lots of active participants
 
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hog88 said:
So you hold everyone but yourself, Biden and Donjo to that standard?
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The money laundering claim is lazy and stupid. Call it influence peddling or just graft and I don’t think anyone would seriously challenge it. But money laundering is a more useful dog whistle so…
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
The money laundering claim is lazy and stupid. Call it influence peddling or just graft and I don’t think anyone would seriously challenge it. But money laundering is a more useful dog whistle so…
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Jump to Biden & Co's defense, you're getting good at it. Maybe EL can share some of his tweets with you?

Call it what you will but they're lining their pockets off this war.
 
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