War in Ukraine


Is this all you got? Your defense of Russia is so pathetic. Prigozhin just announced that Wagner will no longer take POWs; they'll just execute the soldiers they capture. And for you, that's counterbalanced somehow by two stupid T-shirts?

Just for you, we should all chip in to buy you a tshirt that says: "I went to Russian propaganda school and all I got was was lousy Hitler Tshirt meme"
 
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Russia offered Ukraine a generous deal early in this conflict and they opted to fight instead, so no, Russia isn't going to offer them another generous offer. That time was come and gone.
except it wasn't generous.

1. Accept Russian occupation of Ukrainian land, Crimea.
2. Lose control of the two of the richest parts of Ukraine. which would just mean they lose even more land to the Russians.
3. cede sovereignty and their self determination. Russia getting to pick and choose their leaders, while also determining who Ukraine can and can't trade with.
4. be de-militarized, making Russia's next invasion even easier.

Russia "generous" offer were terms that would have disbanded Ukraine, their own Treaty of Versailles.

Nothing about Russia's terms were generous to anyone other than Russian, which is why Ukraine rightly rejected them.
 
The problem is that they are not dying for themselves or "freedom and democracy", they are dying for an American political agenda.
assuming this is true, it should say something to you that they would rather fight and die to be under our political agenda, than to be under Russia's.

your entire argument that they want to be Russian relies on ignoring so many facts, and just making everything a conspiracy.
 
Dude, you and I both know that RF was not in the business of killing and conquering Ukrainians. All Russia wanted was a buffer between them and NATO. All a 6 year old has to do is look at a map and realize the buffer Russia had when there was a Warsaw Pact vs after 1996. The US could have easily resolved this in the mid 1990s by not expanding eastward. Or even better, should have/could have accepted Russia into NATO when Putin first asked to join in 2000/2001.
Then Russia should have used diplomacy to create/support a third party, sans NATO and Russia, alliance between all the old Warsaw Nations. Russia didn't do that because Russia didn't want a neutral buffer, they wanted a buffer that was under their thumb. You should read that as "not a buffer". And that was unacceptable to all those nations who had been under Russia's thumb before. Russia wanted the Soviet Bloc back

Considering Russia is the one who invaded someone I would say its THEIR diplomatic failure, and not the west's.
 
Robert E. Lee and Emperor Hirohito were both pu^^ies, right?
you realize those two only gave up AFTER they lost the fight right? Not before. you aren't a pu^^ies for losing a fight against a foe you had no reason to expect victory. and they gave up because they considered the generational damage from further resistance as worse than fate under their opponents.

Ukraine hasn't conceded the fight yet, they might tomorrow, but they haven't yet; and its likely because they still consider the damage worth it to avoid their fate under the Russians. There are probably still some Ukrainians who lived thru Holodomor, and plenty whose parents did. And that's impossible for even you to argue is worse than "American rule". and there are plenty who remember the Russian rule as the Soviets. Avoiding genocide seems like a pretty good reason to keep fighting.
 
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Where in middle east?

The 4 I seen today turned there transponders on over Jordan so not sure exactly where they were coming from and was on their way back to Germany. It’s been a lot recently that I haven’t noticed before.
 
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If you want to know when I stopped reading, it was after point one. If you expected Russia to cede Crimea, when Russia knows they will win this fight, then you arent a serious person
they ceded Crimea back in the 60s or 70s, and again in the '91, and again in like '94 or whenever the Budapest Memorandum happened.

they don't get to say "oopsy" and expect it back because they want it now. similar to the state of Georgia wanting to reclaim that part of Tennessee to get access to the TN around Chattanooga. Georgia/Russia ceded their claims to the administration of the territories in question, and lost any claim they had to it.

their ability to win the fight was not YOUR point. YOUR point was Russia gave Ukraine generous terms. I was pointing out how the terms clearly weren't generous.
 
The 4 I seen today turned there transponders on over Jordan so not sure exactly where they were coming from and was on their way back to Germany. It’s been a lot recently that I haven’t noticed before.
Interesting. Jordan has a Western educated and minded leader. Endless possibilities.
 
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they ceded Crimea back in the 60s or 70s, and again in the '91, and again in like '94 or whenever the Budapest Memorandum happened.

they don't get to say "oopsy" and expect it back because they want it now. similar to the state of Georgia wanting to reclaim that part of Tennessee to get access to the TN around Chattanooga. Georgia/Russia ceded their claims to the administration of the territories in question, and lost any claim they had to it.

their ability to win the fight was not YOUR point. YOUR point was Russia gave Ukraine generous terms. I was pointing out how the terms clearly weren't generous.

They in fact can and did take Crimea, who had been trying to breakaway from Ukraine for years. It was much more Russian than it was Ukrainian.

The reason their terms were generous is because every sane person knows they were/are going to win this war but what most people didnt expect was the absolute lethal way in which Russia would go about it (high kill ratios inflicted on Ukraine and general demilitarization of not only Ukraine but NATO).

The longer this goes, the more generous Russia's peace offers early in this conflict, look.
 
They in fact can and did take Crimea, who had been trying to breakaway from Ukraine for years. It was much more Russian than it was Ukrainian.

The reason their terms were generous is because every sane person knows they were/are going to win this war but what most people didnt expect was the absolute lethal way in which Russia would go about it (high kill ratios inflicted on Ukraine and general demilitarization of not only Ukraine but NATO).

The longer this goes, the more generous Russia's peace offers early in this conflict, look.
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They in fact can and did take Crimea, who had been trying to breakaway from Ukraine for years. It was much more Russian than it was Ukrainian.

The reason their terms were generous is because every sane person knows they were/are going to win this war but what most people didnt expect was the absolute lethal way in which Russia would go about it (high kill ratios inflicted on Ukraine and general demilitarization of not only Ukraine but NATO).

The longer this goes, the more generous Russia's peace offers early in this conflict, look.

If any of this nonsense were true, then why did Putin sign a treaty in 2003 reaffirming Ukraine's borders, including Crimea?
UNTC
 
They in fact can and did take Crimea, who had been trying to breakaway from Ukraine for years. It was much more Russian than it was Ukrainian.

The reason their terms were generous is because every sane person knows they were/are going to win this war but what most people didnt expect was the absolute lethal way in which Russia would go about it (high kill ratios inflicted on Ukraine and general demilitarization of not only Ukraine but NATO).

The longer this goes, the more generous Russia's peace offers early in this conflict, look.
link to the bolded?

and no, everyone knew that Russia was going to kill a lot of people in this war. It was only your side thinking that Russia was going to fight the most peaceful war ever. you were over there bragging it up how Russia was going to rewrite military textbooks while the rest of us were calling out all the deaths.

No, the longer this goes on, the more ridiculous the terms look. Russia was running its mouth thinking they were justified to demand everything they did. The terms would have been justified if Russia had been able to enact a quick victory, because it wouldn't have been worth standing up if you just get KO'd in the first round. This fight has gone a couple rounds, and neither side looks particularly pretty or worthy of large demands.
 

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