Rasputin_Vol
"Slava Ukraina"
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except it wasn't generous.Russia offered Ukraine a generous deal early in this conflict and they opted to fight instead, so no, Russia isn't going to offer them another generous offer. That time was come and gone.
assuming this is true, it should say something to you that they would rather fight and die to be under our political agenda, than to be under Russia's.The problem is that they are not dying for themselves or "freedom and democracy", they are dying for an American political agenda.
Then Russia should have used diplomacy to create/support a third party, sans NATO and Russia, alliance between all the old Warsaw Nations. Russia didn't do that because Russia didn't want a neutral buffer, they wanted a buffer that was under their thumb. You should read that as "not a buffer". And that was unacceptable to all those nations who had been under Russia's thumb before. Russia wanted the Soviet Bloc backDude, you and I both know that RF was not in the business of killing and conquering Ukrainians. All Russia wanted was a buffer between them and NATO. All a 6 year old has to do is look at a map and realize the buffer Russia had when there was a Warsaw Pact vs after 1996. The US could have easily resolved this in the mid 1990s by not expanding eastward. Or even better, should have/could have accepted Russia into NATO when Putin first asked to join in 2000/2001.
you realize those two only gave up AFTER they lost the fight right? Not before. you aren't a pu^^ies for losing a fight against a foe you had no reason to expect victory. and they gave up because they considered the generational damage from further resistance as worse than fate under their opponents.Robert E. Lee and Emperor Hirohito were both pu^^ies, right?
they ceded Crimea back in the 60s or 70s, and again in the '91, and again in like '94 or whenever the Budapest Memorandum happened.If you want to know when I stopped reading, it was after point one. If you expected Russia to cede Crimea, when Russia knows they will win this fight, then you arent a serious person
they ceded Crimea back in the 60s or 70s, and again in the '91, and again in like '94 or whenever the Budapest Memorandum happened.
they don't get to say "oopsy" and expect it back because they want it now. similar to the state of Georgia wanting to reclaim that part of Tennessee to get access to the TN around Chattanooga. Georgia/Russia ceded their claims to the administration of the territories in question, and lost any claim they had to it.
their ability to win the fight was not YOUR point. YOUR point was Russia gave Ukraine generous terms. I was pointing out how the terms clearly weren't generous.
They in fact can and did take Crimea, who had been trying to breakaway from Ukraine for years. It was much more Russian than it was Ukrainian.
The reason their terms were generous is because every sane person knows they were/are going to win this war but what most people didnt expect was the absolute lethal way in which Russia would go about it (high kill ratios inflicted on Ukraine and general demilitarization of not only Ukraine but NATO).
The longer this goes, the more generous Russia's peace offers early in this conflict, look.
They in fact can and did take Crimea, who had been trying to breakaway from Ukraine for years. It was much more Russian than it was Ukrainian.
The reason their terms were generous is because every sane person knows they were/are going to win this war but what most people didnt expect was the absolute lethal way in which Russia would go about it (high kill ratios inflicted on Ukraine and general demilitarization of not only Ukraine but NATO).
The longer this goes, the more generous Russia's peace offers early in this conflict, look.
link to the bolded?They in fact can and did take Crimea, who had been trying to breakaway from Ukraine for years. It was much more Russian than it was Ukrainian.
The reason their terms were generous is because every sane person knows they were/are going to win this war but what most people didnt expect was the absolute lethal way in which Russia would go about it (high kill ratios inflicted on Ukraine and general demilitarization of not only Ukraine but NATO).
The longer this goes, the more generous Russia's peace offers early in this conflict, look.