War in Ukraine

[Rasputin_Vol]

You just said the democrats liked Russia until 2016. You must have aligned with them prior to 2016.

They see the two countries as the same and don't make that distinction. He'll, most Americans at this point on both sides cannot make that distinction.

 

[Septic]

Once you put them on ignore, along with a few more, the politics board becomes much better. They are trolls.

Translation: I was tired of getting my teeth kicked in with their logic so I decided to ignore them.

 

[Hunerwadel]

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You might consider an AA meeting then. I don't have any suggestions for your other two problems.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Nah, the word "aid" would be interpreted entirely different by the .gov if Biden wasn't in office.

So you want to try and sell that a Republican administration would act one bit different with regard to aid provided? Go on…

 

[hog88]

They see the two countries as the same and don't make that distinction. He'll, most Americans at this point on both sides cannot make that distinction.

There isn't much of a difference.

 

[hog88]

So you want to try and sell that a Republican administration would act one bit different with regard to aid provided? Go on…

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It would depend on who the R was, most would act pretty much the same as Biden and stuff pockets. A very small few would probably push European nations to be the main contributors of aid.

 

[NorthDallas40]

It would depend on who the R was, most would act pretty much the same as Biden and stuff pockets. A very small few would probably push European nations to be the main contributors of aid.

The biggest detractor thus far is Trump. And I absolutely believe he’d flip in a New York minute and keep the same level of aid going if not more. He’d bombastically call out Europe too but that would just be the side show entertainment

 

[tvolsfan]

You do realize there is a difference between the USSR and the Russian Federation, right?

Yes, one is smaller with far fewer people, power, and influence.

 

[LouderVol]

Yes, one is smaller with far fewer people, power, and influence.

yeah I couldn't think of too many differences.

1. sees NATO as enemy number 1.
2. sees the old warsaw/soviet republics as their playground
3. authoritarian government locking down its own people
4. state run media
5. state run corporations
6. state run religion
7. state sets the prices of goods, and what can be produced in the nation
8. state sets family principals for its people
9. relies on a cult of personality to solidify its government
10. hasn't made any significant strides in almost any relevant way
11. same friends as before
12. relies on soviet claims/policies to justify the current stance on things.

 

[BeardedVol]

 

[TVOLS]

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[VolInNW]

You do realize there is a difference between the USSR and the Russian Federation, right?

Yep. One is a paranoid, depressed culture that readily accept psychopathic despots as leaders, has nuclear weapons, and views the US as evil as their sworn enemy. The other is.....wait.....uh.......

Hmmmmmm, other than population numbers, there is not a whole lot of difference.

In both cases, their nuclear weapons are the only things that make them relevant, given their conventional forces are ill equipped conscripts led by drunken morons in a military culture of murder, pillage, and plunder.

 

[tvolsfan]

Yep. One is a paranoid, depressed culture that readily accept psychopathic despots as leaders, has nuclear weapons, and views the US as evil as their sworn enemy. The other is.....wait.....uh.......

Hmmmmmm, other than population numbers, there is not a whole lot of difference.

In both cases, their nuclear weapons are the only things that make them relevant, given their conventional forces are ill equipped conscripts led by drunken morons in a military culture of murder, pillage, and plunder.

Putin is trying to turn Russia back into the Soviet Union.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

What will happen first: Russia runs out of missiles or The West runs out of money to give Kyiv?

 

[tvolsfan]

What will happen first: Russia runs out of missiles or The West runs out of money to give Kyiv?

Russia runs out of missiles

 

[BeardedVol]

SBU: Russian soldier admits killing Ukrainian POWs after interrogations

 

[Septic]

I wonder is @Rasputin_Vol has the stones to watch that and offer up anything but a deflection as a response.

LOL, of course not. Who am I kidding, he ignores the inconvenient.

 

[BeardedVol]

I wonder is @Rasputin_Vol has the stones to watch that and offer up anything but a deflection as a response.

LOL, of course not. Who am I kidding, he ignores the inconvenient.

That's not the first oligarch caught lamenting Putin and his warmongering.

Coupled with the plethora that have died under strange circumstances and it paints a pretty bleak picture for Russia's ruling class.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

You know what... I think I agree with this.

Biden Energy Secretary Wants All US Military Vehicles To Be Electric By 2030 | ZeroHedge

 

[BeardedVol]

Lol

 

[AM64]

decries ad hominem attacks and then turns around and uses ad hominem attacks two words later. that's got to be a record for hypocrisy.

This is part of the reason why your argument doesn't hold water. The other is that most people you are attacking aren't actually pro-Zelensky. at best/worst they are pro-Ukrainian. you are just resorting to another logical fallacy, red herrings, to try and change the argument from one you can't win, pro-Ukraine, to one you think you can win, pro-Zelensky.

and even pro-Ukraine is probably too strong of a term, but that doesn't fit into your narrow field of arguments so thats probably the best distinction I can make.

Yet another bad argument you make is "every pro-Ukraine tweet is somehow legit". thats a bad, false assumption on your part. You are always going to get a sampling bias from individuals on any topic. they aren't going to quote something they don't agree with. There are TONS of obvious pro-Ukrainian bs that doesn't get posted to this thread, or even referenced. and if anything Ras and crew are guilty of the same thing you are calling out. When was the last time they posted something that framed Russia in a negative light? Do you REALLY think that ALL of the bad is one sided in a war?

The amazing part is how some people boil down support of Ukraine into simple anti-Russian fantasy (left over reminiscence of the Cold War), support of corrupt leaders (apparently only corrupt people can be in Ukrainian government), dupes (or major stockholders) of the military industrial complex, support of people who ungraciously told their neighbor that they weren't willing to give them part of their land, or warmongers who want to free restrained Nazis rather than people who actually admire the citizens of an invaded country willing to fight for their freedom. Apparently a will to fight for freedom is a completely novel and unexplained phenomenon that has to be restrained because it could be too dangerous a concept to let loose on the world.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

 

[Hunerwadel]

Lol

As I understand it the horses will double as sex partners and can be eaten if necessary.

 

[VolInNW]

What will happen first: Russia runs out of missiles or The West runs out of money to give Kyiv?

Well, simple simon, if the russian military would use missles on military targets instead of just lobbing them into population centers, they might last longer.
But who are we kidding. The russian military culture and dogma relies on wanton murder of noncombatants. After all, when russians fight organized militaries, or other organized forces, they get their asses kicked.