War in Ukraine

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Hunerwadel said:
If your evil neighbor comes over and attacks your family for God's sake don't fight back. It'd just be a farce and you might get hurt.
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Apparently the castle doctrine is completely out the window in the Ras world ... or at least if it's the Russians at the door.
 
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KB5252 said:
Dude, we're not forcing anyone. They are fighting foreign aggressors who invaded their country......... Your rhetoric is mind numbingly obtuse and predictable at this point.
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Most folks would be humiliated to even attempt to pawn off that turd. @Rasputin_Vol trots it out like it's his job AND with a straight face. His lack of self awareness is truly breathtaking.
 
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AM64 said:
Apparently the castle doctrine is completely out the window in the Ras world ... or at least if it's the Russians at the door.
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What is this castle doctrine nonsense. We've been over this before. You can't compare neighborly disputes with geopolitical disputes. The closest you can even come to that lame analogy is to say that if someone attacks your home, that you decide to burn your house down in order to protect and save it. You and people like you that support this idea that they should fight to the last Ukrainian have created a failed state. You've destroyed Ukraine rather than salvaged it.

Also, mutual respect and equal accountability is lacking in our foreign policy decisions. We don't respect the security concerns of China or Russia, but we expect everyone else to have respect for our security concerns. That's BS. And, when you have one set of rules in one case but a different set of rules for someone else, that makes you a not be taken seriously.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
What is this castle doctrine nonsense. We've been over this before. You can't compare neighborly disputes with geopolitical disputes. The closest you can even come to that lame analogy is to say that if someone attacks your home, that you decide to burn your house down in order to protect and save it. You and people like you that support this idea that they should fight to the last Ukrainian have created a failed state. You've destroyed Ukraine rather than salvaged it.

Also, mutual respect and equal accountability is lacking in our foreign policy decisions. We don't respect the security concerns of China or Russia, but we expect everyone else to have respect for our security concerns. That's BS. And, when you have one set of rules in one case but a different set of rules for someone else, that makes you a not be taken seriously.
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Wow, you considering a home invasion where the invader kills your kid, rapes your wife, and then claims the garage belongs to them, a "neighbourly dispute" explains a lot about your mentality.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
What is this castle doctrine nonsense. We've been over this before. You can't compare neighborly disputes with geopolitical disputes. The closest you can even come to that lame analogy is to say that if someone attacks your home, that you decide to burn your house down in order to protect and save it. You and people like you that support this idea that they should fight to the last Ukrainian have created a failed state. You've destroyed Ukraine rather than salvaged it.

Also, mutual respect and equal accountability is lacking in our foreign policy decisions. We don't respect the security concerns of China or Russia, but we expect everyone else to have respect for our security concerns. That's BS. And, when you have one set of rules in one case but a different set of rules for someone else, that makes you a not be taken seriously.
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What do you mean by "we". When you say we are you talking about the US. Be honest. Who in the hell are you? You don't seem in any way to be an American. You have some of the weirdest twisted views of world events and world history of anyone who has ever posted here. Good God man just move to Russia or somewhere where you can be happy. Maybe you could join the Russian military or get a job in a Lada factory.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Whoever takes his place will have to have the backing of the Turkish military which i suspect would only allow a similar authoritarian. What made Turkey such a stalwart ally in the 1960s through the 1990s was a combination of their anti soviet stance (dating all the way back to the wars between the Tsars and the Ottoman Turks and the eternal Russian desire to control the Bosporus and Dardanelles) and the pronounced secularism of the Turkish State from the period of Atatürk.
With the current changes, neither condition applies to make Turkey a dependable ally
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Seems like relations can change over time...


Turkey's presidential contender, leader of the Turkish Rodina party, Dogu Perincek, explains why "Crimea is Russia": During the Soviet Union, borders were not drawn by nationality, so Russians make up a large majority there. And in Crimea, Russians and Crimean Tatars prefer to be part of Russia, and Turks too. 96% voted for Russia in the referendum. In the days of the USSR, they didn’t care, they didn’t look at the borders, that the Russians would remain on the other side. But when the USSR collapsed, part of the Russian population remained in Ukraine, and now they say: we do not want to live under the rule of Ukraine. It used to work because there was a Russian-friendly administration in Ukraine, but now that America came in and ruined everything there, the Russians began to resist it.
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This thread is beyond sad. Ad hominem attacks from losers like @NorthDallas40. @BeardedVol, @Hunerwadel, @MontyPython, @Septic, @volfanhill slobbering over Zelenskys sack. It’s pathetic. You people are so gullible it’s not even funny. Every pro Ukraine tweet is somehow legit and not propaganda. Every pro Russia tweet is somehow illegitimate and propaganda. That’s your line of thinking. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. Keep up the dumb.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
This thread is beyond sad. Ad hominem attacks from losers like @NorthDallas40. @BeardedVol, @Hunerwadel, @MontyPython, @Septic, @volfanhill slobbering over Zelenskys sack. It’s pathetic. You people are so gullible it’s not even funny. Every pro Ukraine tweet is somehow legit and not propaganda. Every pro Russia tweet is somehow illegitimate and propaganda. That’s your line of thinking. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. Keep up the dumb.
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BigOrangeTrain said:
This thread is beyond sad. Ad hominem attacks from losers like @NorthDallas40. @BeardedVol, @Hunerwadel, @MontyPython, @Septic, @volfanhill slobbering over Zelenskys sack. It’s pathetic. You people are so gullible it’s not even funny. Every pro Ukraine tweet is somehow legit and not propaganda. Every pro Russia tweet is somehow illegitimate and propaganda. That’s your line of thinking. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. Keep up the dumb.
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Did you just call us "losers" in the same breath as you crying about ad hominem attacks?

derp.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
This thread is beyond sad. Ad hominem attacks from losers like @NorthDallas40. @BeardedVol, @Hunerwadel, @MontyPython, @Septic, @volfanhill slobbering over Zelenskys sack. It’s pathetic. You people are so gullible it’s not even funny. Every pro Ukraine tweet is somehow legit and not propaganda. Every pro Russia tweet is somehow illegitimate and propaganda. That’s your line of thinking. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. Keep up the dumb.
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You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
This thread is beyond sad. Ad hominem attacks from losers like @NorthDallas40. @BeardedVol, @Hunerwadel, @MontyPython, @Septic, @volfanhill slobbering over Zelenskys sack. It’s pathetic. You people are so gullible it’s not even funny. Every pro Ukraine tweet is somehow legit and not propaganda. Every pro Russia tweet is somehow illegitimate and propaganda. That’s your line of thinking. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. Keep up the dumb.
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Once you put them on ignore, along with a few more, the politics board becomes much better. They are trolls.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
What is this castle doctrine nonsense. We've been over this before. You can't compare neighborly disputes with geopolitical disputes. The closest you can even come to that lame analogy is to say that if someone attacks your home, that you decide to burn your house down in order to protect and save it. You and people like you that support this idea that they should fight to the last Ukrainian have created a failed state. You've destroyed Ukraine rather than salvaged it.

Also, mutual respect and equal accountability is lacking in our foreign policy decisions. We don't respect the security concerns of China or Russia, but we expect everyone else to have respect for our security concerns. That's BS. And, when you have one set of rules in one case but a different set of rules for someone else, that makes you a not be taken seriously.
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except their concerns are just paranoia, we have 80+ years of history to prove that those countries are far more protected than they were before.

the rest of the world shouldn't have to play along with Russia's and China's "mental illness". Especially when its been the acts of Russia and China that moved themselves away from the relative peace that has existed for 80 years.

China expanded its military, and built over seas bases. When the US does that you claim foul, but when China does it, you say they are right.
Russian invaded a foreign nation over a change in leadership. When the US does it you claim that as nation building, new world order nonsense.

You are directly playing into their delusions and refusing to admit that your double standards for them are creating the issue. The US hasn't changed any policy, didn't build any new bases, and didn't invade any country that caused Russia to react the way they did. It was purely Russia changing the formula.

Why should the US respect China and Russia's security concerns if China and Russia likewise do not respect other nation's, Ukraine and Taiwan's, security concerns?
 
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