War in Ukraine

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#65,151
Rasputin_Vol said:
OK. So? The Patriot system that you yourself claim serves a dual purpose of defending against aircraft and missiles is being replaced with the single use missile defense system (Iron Dome).

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make other than you seem to want to point out the Iron Dome's limitations?
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Nope, just making an observation about the design intents of two systems. Where you are inferring that the Patriot is inferior and is being replaced by a newer anti-missile system seems somewhere out in left field. New systems are being introduced in Ukraine on a fairly regular basis, and the introduction date seems to have little to do with one system being better than another ... more just the way deliveries can be approved made to happen.

BTW, I can't recall any weapon system being considered 100% reliable. If you target enough missiles or bombs at an air defense system, some will eventually get through especially if you keep up the incoming density. Also if you run out of missiles to fire, the battery is a sitting duck ... something like a spin on the misquoted "getting there the firstist with the mostest".
 
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turbovol said:
You mean the man funded and laundering money for every Western country leader?

As the Western coalition continues to ratchet up weapons support for Ukraine--long-range missiles, Abrams tanks coming, F16s coming, 8+ battalions training in combined arms, further tightening of sanctions, onging sabotage activities in the Donbas--Russia will come under steadily increasing pressure.
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FIFY
 
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AM64 said:
Nope, just making an observation about the design intents of two systems. Where you are inferring that the Patriot is inferior and is being replaced by a newer anti-missile system seems somewhere out in left field. New systems are being introduced in Ukraine on a fairly regular basis, and the introduction date seems to have little to do with one system being better than another ... more just the way deliveries can be approved made to happen.
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I wasn't suggesting (directly) that it was being replaced because it is inferior. I'm saying that since a Patriot system was damaged/destroyed a few days ago, The West is the one now looking to throw in the Iron Dome.

I say "directly" because we both know that neither the Iron Dome or Patriot systems are on the same level of the Russian S-400 or S-500. You might even be able to make the case that the leftover Soviet S-300s that Ukraine had performed better than the Patriot system.

AM64 said:
BTW, I can't recall any weapon system being considered 100% reliable. If you target enough missiles or bombs at an air defense system, some will eventually get through especially if you keep up the incoming density. Also if you run out of missiles to fire, the battery is a sitting duck ... something like a spin on the misquoted "getting there the firstist with the mostest".
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Show me where I made such a claim.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
The PAC-3 missile I’m pretty sure is tuned to the hypersonic ballistic missile intercept as we saw in the SCUD intercepts in 1991. And the Kinzhal is nothing more than a really fast SCUD. We took what we learned from the SCUD intercepts in 1991 with the PAC-2 and developed the PAC-3. As much as the bald dwarf wants it the Kinzhal is nowhere near the Chinese DF-ZF hypersonic glide vehicle level of weapon.

Oh and that 1970’s US technology seems to be able to counter the latest Russian junk pretty well 😂

Patriot PAC-3
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Yep, Patriot is working well. Can you imagine the response if the "evil MIC" was turning out a different air defense system every 3-5 years and making the earlier ones obsolete? Or how inept they would be if 40 year old technology wasn't still getting the job done? Seems like some people will always find fault with what you do, but they will never blame the enemy that makes being prepared or staying ahead of the game necessary.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I wasn't suggesting (directly) that it was being replaced because it is inferior. I'm saying that since a Patriot system was damaged/destroyed a few days ago, The West is the one now looking to throw in the Iron Dome.

I say "directly" because we both know that neither the Iron Dome or Patriot systems are on the same level of the Russian S-400 or S-500. You might even be able to make the case that the leftover Soviet S-300s that Ukraine had performed better than the Patriot system.


Show me where I made such a claim.
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You didn't claim any systems were 100% reliable. My point is that all have weaknesses - aren't 100% reliable. What you did say originally was:

"Well, it appears the Patriot system was damaged severely or destroyed, else, they wouldn't now be pivoting to sending Iron Dome. "

That infers that the Patriot system was a failure because one launcher component was damaged, and it was necessary to replace the Patriot system. You can never have enough air defense when bombs and missiles are raining down, so the key is more as in supplement what you have initially ... supplement - not replace.

Another point - proactive - you didn't say it, is that what goes up must come down. If you successfully intercept an incoming missile or plane, stuff is going to fall out of the sky and there will be damage on the ground. That's been true since AA defenses first came into being. A damaged launcher could be nothing more than hit by falling debris. I still haven't read anything that supports the launcher being badly damaged or being successfully hit directly by an incoming missile. If a launcher was hit by an intact missile, it was a lucky "miss" because the intended target would have been the radar and command systems.
 
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Oh... the coping is in full force. They are still talking about the alleged Ukrainian push on the flanks outside of Artemovsk (formerly known as Bakhmut).
 
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Ras right now
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MontyPython said:
Congrats on Russia finally taking Bakhmut... one year later.

It's the North American equivalent of the US capturing Tijuana.
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Yep, the Russians are so incredibly incompetent you’d think with all the “aid” we’ve supplied Ukraine they’d had run the Russians out by now.
 
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I wonder how the Russian people would react if Putin were suddenly out of the picture. And I mean by internal forces with a plan to move forward.
 
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Clandestine
@WarClandestine
As Bakhmut falls and Ukraine’s air defenses are depleted, you’ll notice Zelensky is STILL not in Ukraine.

Since May 3rd, he has been in Finland, the Netherlands, Italy, Germany, France, Saudi Arabia, and now off to Japan for the G7 Summit 🤔

He’s hiding
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https://twitter.com/swisschoc
 
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lawgator1 said:
I wonder how the Russian people would react if Putin were suddenly out of the picture. And I mean by internal forces with a plan to move forward.
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For what reason, at this point, would any Russians have to overthrow Putin on May 20th, 2023? Unless they are plants from the west?
 
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Iron Dome
Northern and Southwestern flanks near Artemovsk (Bakhmut)
F-16s
Spring/Summer Counteroffensive
Bakhmut is not strategically important
"A gas station masquerading as a country"
Storm Shadow
ATACMS
MALD
"Do you want Ukraine to win?"
Game changers
"for as long as it takes"
Arrest Putin in South Africa
Moskva
James Vasquez
Depleted uranium
Shovels
Viagra to rape women
20k tons of ammo in Transnistria
"investment"
"bully"
"unprovoked"
Leopard tanks
Babushka with pickle jar
North Korean munitions
War crime tribunals
Patrick Lancaster's staged scenes
Steven Seagal is a Pootin Puppet
Banning Orthodox Priests and News Media Outlets are no big deal
These numbers come from the Ukrainian MOD so they have to be true.
Sack of Potatoes
Smooth Brain
Homer
Newsweek is GOP and Russian propaganda
Mobile crematoriums
Iranian drones
Stealing chips from washing machines/refrigerators/televisions
No fly zones/air superiority
HIMARS
North Korean troops
Finland and Sweden join NATO
Strike on Wagner Group HQ
Patriot missiles
Oil price cap
Kherson Kherson Kherson
MH-17
"f*** the EU.."
Kerch Bridge
Article 5
100k Russians dead
Institute for the Study of War
"Ruble will be rubble"
Million Man Ukrainian army
McDonalds/IKEA/Coca Cola/H&M/Louis Vuitton
Long lines at ATMs
Eggs
Russia running out of missiles/drones
Russia can't fight in winter/frostbite
Polish Mig-29s
Javelina
Azovstal "evacuation"
Stingers
40 mile caravan outside of Kyiv
Switchblade drones
Ghost of Kiev
Obese General
Kremlin Coup
Blood Cancer
Parkinsons
A-10 Warthogs
Abrams tanks
I saw it on the evening news
It must be true if it's on Twitter
100 Billion will bring Russia to its knees
Snake Island
Meat grinder
Ukrainian Nazis are no big deal
Lukashenko's breath mints
Tooth Fairy
Soviet Union still exists
Trailer Park of the world
Pootin
Pootin Stooges
Larry Moe Curly
Bradley fighting vehicles
Strykers
Challengers
"Just a few weeks of training"
Maintenance will be done in Germany
China bad
 
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