War in Ukraine

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jmacvols1 said:
Clandestine
@WarClandestine
As Bakhmut falls and Ukraine’s air defenses are depleted, you’ll notice Zelensky is STILL not in Ukraine.

Since May 3rd, he has been in Finland, the Netherlands, Italy, Germany, France, Saudi Arabia, and now off to Japan for the G7 Summit 🤔

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He's getting F-16s.
 
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Vol737 said:
You called it. I will say training takes the better part of one year, give or take depending on aircraft type. Going to be a while before UKR pilots are proficient in F16s, assuming some aren’t already in the states training on them. Seems like finding other countries willing to send Migs or SUs would expedite matters.
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jmacvols1 said:
Clandestine
@WarClandestine
As Bakhmut falls and Ukraine’s air defenses are depleted, you’ll notice Zelensky is STILL not in Ukraine.

Since May 3rd, he has been in Finland, the Netherlands, Italy, Germany, France, Saudi Arabia, and now off to Japan for the G7 Summit 🤔

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Lol good god. Get some help
 
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AM64 said:
Tanks and ships are WW1 type obsolete unless the military comes to grip with stuff we're seeing in Ukraine. They are just big, fat, juicy, slow moving targets ripe for the taking. Fortunately Russia is still WW1 type obsolete, too.
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Tanks are not obsolete.

Russia is just amazingly stupid when it comes to how they structure and train their forces, and supplying near zero infantry support for their armor.
 
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hog88 said:
Yep, the Russians are so incredibly incompetent you’d think with all the “aid” we’ve supplied Ukraine they’d had run the Russians out by now.
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All the aid in the world shouldn’t have even had a chance to make a difference since the “most powerful army in Europe” should have been having liberation parades in Kyiv by mid March.

And here we are 440+ days into this three hour tour as these orc clowns try and act like the biggest Pyrrhic victory (possibly a victory anyway… the claims still aren’t corroborated) in the last hundred years is a positive for these invading idiots. 🤷‍♂️
 
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evillawyer said:
And how much was the cost of the one grenade? That tank was probably in the 7 figures.
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Possibly.

But using your logic, the US military budget is over $800 billion vs the Russian Federation military budget is roughly $60 billion.

If you are going to use that micro example, then you need to equally pullback and use that same standard on the macro level.
 
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AM64 said:
Oh dear... one tank ... at a time. Better? Closing in on 3800 or so now?
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Let's use that number of 3800. Could be true... could not be. But lets assume it is true. You and I both know that the Russians have 3800 more behind that... and that is ~3800 more than Ukraine has.
 
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What we know:

The situation is Bakhmut is still in flux. Wagner made gains today.

Ukraine made gains the majority of the week.

Wagner is going to be pulled away to focus on overseas campaigns. Sudan etc.

What we don't know:

Is Wagner the best fighting force Russia has? Certainly has been to this point.

When the Ukraine offensive will begin if ever. What it will look like .

Can Russia improve on it's command structure to produce a cohesive fighting force capable of working together toward a common goal. They've struggled to this point, especially the regular army.
 
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Burhead said:


Then you have this, maybe this is why Prigozhin is claiming victory and getting the hell out of dodge.
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Even Prigozhin has admitted the Russian army on their flanks bugged out and their flanks are exposed. I think it’s all fluff to declare an arbitrary victory and bug out before they get fully encircled. At least at this point.

The stooge patrol is spiking the ball on Prigozhin declaring victory but the rest of the statement that he’s pulling out on May 25th seems to go unacknowledged.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Possibly.

But using your logic, the US military budget is over $800 billion vs the Russian Federation military budget is roughly $60 billion.

If you are going to use that micro example, then you need to equally pullback and use that same standard on the macro level.
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Russians pay their people less than half of what we pay ours, plus the quality of the support services is much better for US. Then there are retirement and veteran health care. (Would you want to go to a Russian hospital? Quick hint, if you do, stay off the balconies.)

A large part of that differential is qualitative in services and pay. Then there is what is now a clear difference in quality of materiel. It's pretty clear now that the technological and operational superiority of the US over Russia is overwhelming.

One also has to wonder how much of the $80 billion a year was pilfered by Putin's cronies.

Face it Raz. If Russians didn't have nukes, the 1st Armored Division, with air cover, could go from Poland to Moscow in about 6 weeks.
 
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