War in Ukraine

[Rasputin_Vol]

The good ole participation trophy

And you need to ask yourself... why did Zelensky say that the Battle of Bakhmut was going to determine the direction of the conflict when he came to Congress in December 2022?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

It was the Soviet/Warsaw Pact's 7 day war strategy against NATO forces in 1979. They were to be in Lyon by Day 9 of said conflict, which is just as "realistic" as your proposed ideas.

Seven Days to the River Rhine - Wikipedia

Ok. But this is 2023. The Soviets are no longer here pushing their strategy.

This is a totally different situation with the Russian Federation and with NATO.

 

[Burhead]

And you need to ask yourself... why did Zelensky say that the Battle of Bakhmut was going to determine the direction of the conflict when he came to Congress in December 2022?

They had to fight the Russians at some point to buy time to bring in NATO kit and new brigades online so it might as well been in Bakhmut. They occupied and tied down Russian forces for 9 months preventing them from launching a larger, full scale offensive up and down the contact line.

 

[Velo Vol]

 

[NorthDallas40]

And you need to ask yourself... why did Zelensky say that the Battle of Bakhmut was going to determine the direction of the conflict when he came to Congress in December 2022?

You should probably do a little introspection on that statement and look at the expenditure of human and material capital your orc buddies wasted to take a city not even within the top 50 population centers Moe. The irony is that statement could very well turn out to be true but not in the manner you’re trying to flex over

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

The Russians keep moving west... yet, they are losing.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

They had to fight the Russians at some point to buy time to bring in NATO kit and new brigades online so it might as well been in Bakhmut. They occupied and tied down Russian forces for 9 months preventing them from launching a larger, full scale offensive up and down the contact line.

Who do you really think was exhausted in this Artemovsk (Bakhmut) campaign: The Russians or NATO?

 

[Burhead]

Ok. But this is 2023. The Soviets are no longer here pushing their strategy.

This is a totally different situation with the Russian Federation and with NATO.

Think you missed my point, the Soviets at the height of their power would not have achieved those results. Yet you think the Russians are going to steam roll their way across Ukraine with less resources and manpower after witnessing their performance after a year of war?

 

[NorthDallas40]

Ok. But this is 2023. The Soviets are no longer here pushing their strategy.

This is a totally different situation with the Russian Federation and with NATO.

Yet you and your orc buddies are using the Soviet name for Bakhmut. Man you trolls really suck at consistency Moe. Well on the other hand you’re continually inconsistent I guess

 

[Burhead]

Who do you really think was exhausted in this Artemovsk (Bakhmut) campaign: The Russians or NATO?

Well since NATO isn't fighting and it was the Russians who used Wagner to zerg rush Bakhmut not sure how to answer that?

 

[Velo Vol]

Who do you really think was exhausted in this Artemovsk (Bakhmut) campaign: The Russians or NATO?

 

[Burhead]

Why is it the Russian MoD is using Wagner to do the heavy lifting? Is it because they know the actual Russian Army is incompetent after the professionals were exhausted in the first phase of the war?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Think you missed my point, the Soviets at the height of their power would not have achieved those results. Yet you think the Russians are going to steam roll their way across Ukraine with less resources and manpower after witnessing their performance after a year of war?

Well you are now engaging in shifting the goalposts. Moving to the Dnipro River is far different than moving to the Rhine River. The Russians have no desire to extend themselves out that far. The US has already shown that keeping and maintaining and empire is costly.

The Russians would (most likely) be happy re-admitting everything east of the Dnipro (Novorossia) and letting Poland, Hungary and Romania fight over the rest.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Why is it the Russian MoD is using Wagner to do the heavy lifting? Is it because they know the actual Russian Army is incompetent after the professionals were exhausted in the first phase of the war?

Remind me what the outcome of the Russian elite forces push on Kyiv was?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Well since NATO isn't fighting and it was the Russians who used Wagner to zerg rush Bakhmut not sure how to answer that?

Stop. If NATO is sending arms and training, they are in the fight.

Stop with the slick legalese talk.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Why is it the Russian MoD is using Wagner to do the heavy lifting? Is it because they know the actual Russian Army is incompetent after the professionals were exhausted in the first phase of the war?

Well hold on... you can't have it both ways.

You all were talking mad smack about Wagner being a bunch of prisoners with shovels.

 

[tvolsfan]

Stop. If NATO is sending arms and training, they are in the fight.

Stop with the slick legalese talk.

Man, NATO is killing a lot of Russians without losing a single soldier!

 

[BeardedVol]

Stop. If NATO is sending arms and training, they are in the fight.

Stop with the slick legalese talk.

This is the dumbest cope-logic post in this thread.

Zero NATO soldiers killed.
Zero NATO aircraft downed.
Zero NATO ships sunk.

Yet Russia is "fighting NATO" because Ukraine has NLAWs, Javelins, and a handful of HIMARS.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Ukraine Admits Murdering "Quite A Few" Russian Civilians Who Back Putin And His Invasion | ZeroHedge

For perspective, a hypothetical parallel for this campaign would be Iraq's intelligence service blowing up Iraq-invasion cheerleaders like Bill Kristol, Jeffrey Goldberg, Ann Coulter and Max Boot in 2003. Ukraine's targeting of civilians doesn't merely violate vague "international norms" that Washington pretends to hold dear -- they are explicitly war crimes.

What's more, if one accepts the definition of terrorism as “the intentional use of violence against civilians in order to obtain political aims,” Budanov has implicated Ukraine as a state sponsor of terror -- one that's received $37 billion in US military aid since the war started, and perhaps double that in other assistance.

Budanov isn't merely an unapologetic terrorist, he's a boastful one. "These cases have happened and will continue," he told The Times. Such people will receive a well-deserved punishment, and the appropriate punishment can only be liquidation and I will implement it."

 

[Burhead]

Well hold on... you can't have it both ways.

You all were talking mad smack about Wagner being a bunch of prisoners with shovels.

It doesn't take elite military minds to send human wave tactics against enemy positions and that is exactly what Wagner did. So yes I can have it both ways.

 

[Burhead]

Ukraine Admits Murdering "Quite A Few" Russian Civilians Who Back Putin And His Invasion | ZeroHedge

For perspective, a hypothetical parallel for this campaign would be Iraq's intelligence service blowing up Iraq-invasion cheerleaders like Bill Kristol, Jeffrey Goldberg, Ann Coulter and Max Boot in 2003. Ukraine's targeting of civilians doesn't merely violate vague "international norms" that Washington pretends to hold dear -- they are explicitly war crimes.

What's more, if one accepts the definition of terrorism as “the intentional use of violence against civilians in order to obtain political aims,” Budanov has implicated Ukraine as a state sponsor of terror -- one that's received $37 billion in US military aid since the war started, and perhaps double that in other assistance.

Budanov isn't merely an unapologetic terrorist, he's a boastful one. "These cases have happened and will continue," he told The Times. Such people will receive a well-deserved punishment, and the appropriate punishment can only be liquidation and I will implement it."

No different than what Mossad did hunting down Nazis after the end of the WWII. None of those people mentioned are what you are implying they are. They are instruments of Russian state power and policy.

 

[Velo Vol]

Thread.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Ukraine Expands Weapons Training For Children As Bakhmut Reportedly Falls | ZeroHedge

Only two months ago the mainstream media widely circulated a video which they said showcased "shocking footage" of Russian school children training with military weapons in programs designed to prepare them for the military. The programs were widely criticized as "indoctrination."

 

[Burhead]

Well you are now engaging in shifting the goalposts. Moving to the Dnipro River is far different than moving to the Rhine River. The Russians have no desire to extend themselves out that far. The US has already shown that keeping and maintaining and empire is costly.

The Russians would (most likely) be happy re-admitting everything east of the Dnipro (Novorossia) and letting Poland, Hungary and Romania fight over the rest.

They haven't taken Ukraine's second largest city that is basically on the border and you think they have the ability to push up to and occupy territory up to the Dnipro?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

It doesn't take elite military minds to send human wave tactics against enemy positions and that is exactly what Wagner did. So yes I can have it both ways.

Human wave tactics would have resulted in the roughly 10k Wagnerites being eliminated immediately.