War in Ukraine

[LouderVol]

If the Kyiv Regime were wise, they should be starting negotiations no later than after the Russians take over Kramatorsk/Slovyansk. Because once that is over, that completes the re-admission of the Donbas to Russia (Novorossia).

If cooler heads in Kyiv do NOT prevail, then the next stage will be going to the Dnipro River/Mykolaiv/Odessa/Transnistria. After that, then Kharkiv, Sumy and Chernihiv.

So another year and a half to take 50km? yeah thats actually not much of a threat.

and I am glad to see to Odessa back on the radar, you had to drop that last year, same with Kharkiv. at this rate Russia should have all of that by the 2030s.

 

[LouderVol]

Stop. If NATO is sending arms and training, they are in the fight.

Stop with the slick legalese talk.

No they aren't. you are the one having to change the understanding of every single war ever to make it fit your dumb argument.

Was Russia at war with the US during Vietnam?

and I don't see you getting upset with Russia using the term "Special Military Operation" instead of "war", so who is being slick with words?

 

[LouderVol]

Ukraine Admits Murdering "Quite A Few" Russian Civilians Who Back Putin And His Invasion | ZeroHedge

For perspective, a hypothetical parallel for this campaign would be Iraq's intelligence service blowing up Iraq-invasion cheerleaders like Bill Kristol, Jeffrey Goldberg, Ann Coulter and Max Boot in 2003. Ukraine's targeting of civilians doesn't merely violate vague "international norms" that Washington pretends to hold dear -- they are explicitly war crimes.

What's more, if one accepts the definition of terrorism as “the intentional use of violence against civilians in order to obtain political aims,” Budanov has implicated Ukraine as a state sponsor of terror -- one that's received $37 billion in US military aid since the war started, and perhaps double that in other assistance.

Budanov isn't merely an unapologetic terrorist, he's a boastful one. "These cases have happened and will continue," he told The Times. Such people will receive a well-deserved punishment, and the appropriate punishment can only be liquidation and I will implement it."

lol. they are at war. both sides are directly targeting civilians. but you only care when one side does it.

 

[USF grad in TN]

The Free Russia Legion, on the march!

So Russians in Russia who identify with Ukrainians want to be independent of Putin and buddies with Ukraine. I've been told that's legit.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Here is the Belgorod People’s Republic!

Can’t wait for the stooge excuse propaganda for this activity

 

[LouderVol]

Let's assume it is a pyrrhic victory. In an existential conflict, it still counts as a victory. Had this been something like the US in Vietnam or Korea or Iraq or Afghanistan (non-existential), then your comment would carry some validity.

lol, what's existential about taking your Prussian New "Russia"?

 

[NorthDallas40]

If the Kyiv Regime were wise, they should be starting negotiations no later than after the Russians take over Kramatorsk/Slovyansk. Because once that is over, that completes the re-admission of the Donbas to Russia (Novorossia).

If cooler heads in Kyiv do NOT prevail, then the next stage will be going to the Dnipro River/Mykolaiv/Odessa/Transnistria. After that, then Kharkiv, Sumy and Chernihiv.

This aged well. Less than 24 hours from “Kyiv is done they need to sue for peace” to civil war in Russia.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

 

[LouderVol]

This all started in Ukraine when the US/Obama State Department orchestrated a coup on Russia's border. If Putin was hellbent on grabbing land, he would have done so in 2014 when the Donbas had their referenda soon after the Maidan. And you know that.

Hell, if Putin was hellbent on grabbing land, he really could have done so in 2008 when Sakaashvili was stirring things up in Georgia. What would have stopped Russia from grabbing the entire country of Georgia at that moment? Or Kazakhstan in January 2022? Easy-peasy land grab opportunity.

2014 Crimea was a land grab, nice try to deflect.
They did move the border in Georgia.
Kazakhstan 2022 was right before they invaded Ukraine. It apparently too them years of build up and preparation to take what 250km at the farthest? They wouldn't have been able to fight in Kazakhstan and launch the invasion of Ukraine. The invasion you swore would never happen. Just like they can't even honor their defensive alliance with Armenia and provide the 1500 "peace keeping" troops they had before.

 

[Rocky_Top_Vol13]

 

[NorthDallas40]

This needs to be broken into two categories now. Russian losses in Ukraine and Russian losses in Russia.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

 

[LouderVol]

I'd like to get an honest assessment of the losses on both sides. You hear it for Russia but not Ukraine.

I don't think you hear from either side.

We have a consistent source for Russia but I am still thinking its off.

I am still assuming about 10-20% less than what we are seeing reported about Russia and Ukraine being *within* 10-20% of that, plus or minus.

 

[LouderVol]

And yet, the Russians still move west...

where? They renamed a desolated city they have been fighting for 10 months over. I hardly call that moving west.

 

[NorthDallas40]

where? They renamed a desolated city they have been fighting for 10 months over. I hardly call that moving west.

And they’re still fighting for it. It isn’t secured literally nothing changed from the day before to the day after Prigozhin’s BS claim.

 

[LouderVol]

250k-350k Ukrainian KIA and multiply that by 2X to get the missing/injured.

So anywhere from 750k to 1 million+ Ukrainian KIA and wounded/missing.

laughable that you even bring that number up.

 

[LouderVol]

lots of tweets have been removed over the last page and a half. something happen?

 

[NorthDallas40]

lots of tweets have been removed over the last page and a half. something happen?

I think the internet gerbils are just overwhelmed. I saw the same thing but when you click on the tweet it’s still there

 

[LouderVol]

Biden regime has refused to push for peace. They're actively fueling this war. The industrial war complex is gonna donate big to Biden this year, They're making a bunch of money of this war.

why would they push for peace?

assume for a second that the US is backing Ukraine because Ukraine was invaded. Under that logic why would the US push for a peace that saw Ukraine lose the land the US is supporting them for?

There is absolutely nothing keeping Ukraine fighting any longer than Ukraine wants to.

 

[LouderVol]

consider me skeptical about this "civil war" for now. The last place I would expect a civil war to break out would be the border. too many troops in the area.

If they did good luck to them, if there is one thing Russians love doing more than killing other nation's civilians, its killing their own.

 

[Septic]

It's still astonishing that @Rasputin_Vol still expects to be taken seriously. He takes L's every time he posts and lacks any modicum of self awareness that he should be humiliated for continuing to prop up the steaming pile that is Russia.

I've seen a lot of delusional posters on this site, but he is the undisputed king of denial.

 

[Volsdeep4]

Biden regime has refused to push for peace. They're actively fueling this war. The industrial war complex is gonna donate big to Biden this year, They're making a bunch of money of this war.

Oh the simple minds of some. It’s okay buddy, you’d have a different tone if you lived in Europe or an ex soviet state.

 

[Burhead]

Fighting still ongoing between the coal miners of the BPR and forces of the regime in the Kremlin.

Two can play this game

 

[Septic]

Oh hell… I’ve been waiting for this.

Fighting in the Belgorod region continues; gunfire and explosions can be heard on video

In the Belgorod region, Russian woman complains about the lack of bomb shelters..

Remind me @Rasputin_Vol , where is Belgorod?

 

[scooty_vol]

I don't think you hear from either side.

We have a consistent source for Russia but I am still thinking its off.

I am still assuming about 10-20% less than what we are seeing reported about Russia and Ukraine being 10-20% of that, plus or minus.

My thought is that Ukraine is losing way more than what is being reported. I don't know long Ukraine can defend but at some point, rather sooner or later, America needs to start pushing for peace or else Ukraine will not have many young men left.

 

[scooty_vol]

Oh the simple minds of some. It’s okay buddy, you’d have a different tone if you lived in Europe or an ex soviet state.

what do you want them to do? Ukraine keep fighting and losing more men? If we're going to keep giving them money to fight, let's do it right and put boots on the ground. Can you not see where this going?

 

[LouderVol]

My thought is that Ukraine is losing way more than what is being reported. I don't know long Ukraine can defend but at some point, rather sooner or later, America needs to start pushing for peace or else Ukraine will not have many young men left.

sorry, my post was way off. I think Ukraine is within 10-20% of Russian losses.