War in Ukraine

[NorthDallas40]

yeah I know the Chinooks, and the Osprey's have them, but not the co-ax, you need the blades to spin in different directions off of one shaft. at least when you split it you are individually powering/driving them.

I didn't watch the videos, but both yours and his looked to be the same, same overall time and same starting view. did I miss another?

I went back and looked at both videos and the intended drop tank separation and unintended tail empennage separation seem to be present in both. What is different is the Russian troll claim of battle damage there isn’t any evidence I see of a weapon strike or smoke trail in either video.

Regardless the loss of the rear surfaces should not result in loss of control of the aircraft due to uncountered main rotor torque as the original troll claim made.

 

[NorthDallas40]

So why aren't these A-10s that I've been hearing about for over a year not on the scene in Ukraine?

Why do they need them Moe? The orc garbage appears to be falling apart on its own without combat damage. Tsk tsk maintenance maintenance

 

[AM64]

Hey @Rasputin_Vol, this one is dedicated to your dear leader.

Russians, vodka, and cigarettes just seem to be a really bad mix.

 

[NorthDallas40]

1. .338 isn't a common NATO round and you know that. So it isn't a round that is in high military demand compared to 5.56, 2.23 or 7.62X51
2. Russia doesn't mass produce this particular round and you know that
3. A lot of it is, but even a the Russians are not going to ignore a good thing when the see it

The 338 is in use by nearly if not all NATO countries as well as your orc buddies and some of their lapdogs. It is any extremely common military round and fills the gap between 7.62 NATO and 50 BMG rounds used by other sniper rifles. Another similar (but admittedly lesser) performance round is the 300 Win Mag

.338 Lapua Magnum - Wikipedia

 

[AM64]

I went back and looked at both videos and the intended drop tank separation and unintended tail empennage separation seem to be present in both. What is different is the Russian troll claim of battle damage there isn’t any evidence I see of a weapon strike or smoke trail in either video.

Regardless the loss of the rear surfaces should not result in loss of control of the aircraft due to uncountered main rotor torque as the original troll claim made.

Also the tanks seemed to drop free. Fuel tanks jettisoned by aircraft don't always just fall down ... sometimes they like to come off and go over the wing or do other strange things that damage the plane. This doesn't look anything like that, but it's not a great video so hard to say that coincident tanks being jettisoned and tail damage aren't completely unrelated.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Also the tanks seemed to drop free. Fuel tanks jettisoned by aircraft don't always just fall down ... sometimes they like to come off and go over the wing or do other strange things that damage the plane. This doesn't look anything like that, but it's not a great video so hard to say that coincident tanks being jettisoned and tail damage aren't completely unrelated.

Yeah it isn’t clear what if any precursor initiated the jettison. The video just shows them all separating together and I didn’t see any smoke/soot correlating to combat damage. Regardless the tail isn’t needed for main rotor torque countering.

 

[Burhead]

I still don't remember ever seeing the promise of A-10s like Ras has said throughout this thread...

 

[NorthDallas40]

I still don't remember ever seeing the promise of A-10s like Ras has said throughout this thread...

There was never a promise from the US government. Merely discussed in passing by many people who don’t have a say since they’re actually going to be retired this time.

https://www.realcleardefense.com/20...Russia's ongoing invasion,it “made no sense.”

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I still don't remember ever seeing the promise of A-10s like Ras has said throughout this thread...

It all started right here...

Air Force General says U.S. and Allies ARE considering sending an array of Fighter Jets to Ukraine and give Pilots accelerated training to ramp up Western Involvement Against Russia

• The U.S. Air Force is considering providing A-10 Warthogs to Ukraine to conduct air assaults in its war with Russia

U.S. forces are now considering sending fighter jets to Ukraine as it continues to face an assault from Russia, according to Air Force Secretary Frank Kendall.

Lieutenant Colonel Kendall said that Ukraine is busy dealing with its 'right now problem' in an allusion to its ground-based fighting in the Donbas region. But he also said that assistance in the form of aircraft may be needed.

The U.S. Air Force is looking to retire its A-10 Warthogs – and many have suggested that they be sent to Ukraine to help in air assaults in the war with Russia.

The U.S. Air Force is considering providing A-10 Warthogs (pictured) to Ukraine to conduct air assaults in its war with Russia

But Kendall said it's 'largely up to Ukraine' to decide what aircraft it wants.

Ukrainian President Volodomyr Zelensky has repeatedly said he needs more advanced fighter jets such as F-15s and F-16s.

Air Force Secretary says U.S. and the West ARE considering sending fighter jets to Ukraine | Daily Mail Online

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The A10’s favorite meal is a piece of Russian armor.

I can't wait.

 

[Hunerwadel]

Ras has been throwing a lot of spaghetti at the wall today.

 

[NorthDallas40]

It all started right here...



War in Ukraine

Looks like I clearly nailed it then.

There was never a promise from the US government. Merely discussed in passing by many people who don’t have a say since they’re actually going to be retired this time.

https://www.realcleardefense.com/2023/01/03/ukraine_asked_us_for_100_a-10_warthogs_to_fight_russians_873472.html#:~:text=Early in Russia's ongoing invasion,it “made no sense.”

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I knew right then that you guys were not being serious with regards to even getting the planes to Ukraine, muchless getting pilots trained on them. Some of you guys were saying they could have them by September 2022.

So you are comparing Iraqi Republican Guard to the current Russian army? OK. You are not being serious.

Also, by the time they send these A-10s over there and then train the pilots, how long will that take?

Where is this coming from? I didn't start a puzzling match. I simply asked if he was really comparing the Republican Guard to the current Russian Army. Then I asked yet another simple question, which was what timeframe do they expect to have these A-10s in place and ready for them to train pilots.

Looks like you are the one getting butthurt for some reason over these basic questions.

I don't think it's a complicated weapons platform, it's not supersonic, not an overly complicated weapons system and from what I've read/heard pretty easy to fly so it shouldn't take long to train the pilots. Maybe 3-4 weeks for an experienced pilot.

Considering the A-10 is a 60 year old aircraft, it should be easy for the Ukrainians to learn how to fly assuming the avionics are ancient. I really hope we have a new model available because from what I've heard the military really doesn't want to give up the A-10's.

So let's use that as a basis. So 3-4 weeks of training. But of course, they have to find the pilots and send the planes over and all of that. So what timeframe are you looking at? Late September at the earliest? Where will the Kyiv regime even be by that time?

Taking a wild guess here but I'd say the planes are already in Europe (we sent some over in May) and we have already been training the pilots so mid August.

 

[MG1968]

It all started right here...



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My quote still stands. The A10 was designed to kill Soviet armor.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

 

[MontyPython]

Hey @Rasputin_Vol...

Serious question: What are you going to do when Russia loses this war? When Putin is dead and Ukraine has thoroughly thrashed the Russian "army", then what?

At that point will you *finally* concede that this whole "special military operation" was a disaster? Or will you just continue on living in your fantasy world?

 

[Septic]

Hey @Rasputin_Vol...

Serious question: What are you going to do when Russia loses this war? When Putin is dead and Ukraine has thoroughly thrashed the Russian "army", then what?

At that point will you *finally* concede that this whole "special military operation" was a disaster? Or will you just continue on living in your fantasy world?

Dude is a straight bozo, he has no credibility left. Not only is he delusional and irrational, he's anti-American. Hopefully he'll disappear like that Qanon clown.

 

[Pennheel]

Hey @Rasputin_Vol...

Serious question: What are you going to do when Russia loses this war? When Putin is dead and Ukraine has thoroughly thrashed the Russian "army", then what?

At that point will you *finally* concede that this whole "special military operation" was a disaster? Or will you just continue on living in your fantasy world?

I just don't see how he continues to look at this war in black and white terms favoring Russia. He's free to his opinion,but you can't look at this from such a biased perspective. I don't understand it.

 

[Burhead]

Even Putin isn’t that stupid it would force the intervention of NATO directly into the conflict.

 

[AM64]

Looks like I clearly nailed it then.

That article read like a parent telling a kid "I'll think about it" to get the kid to go away, and the kid completely and wishfully misinterpreted it as a "Yes" in the making. All fantasy by a reporter who completely misread the room. I can't figure out which is dumber these days - what passes for journalism or what passes for journalists.

 

[AM64]

My quote still stands. The A10 was designed to kill Soviet armor.

In relatively uncontested airspace before the advent of things that the A-10 wasn't designed to have hit and bounce off. Air defense has changed a lot in 50 years, and the A-10 hasn't gotten any faster.

I really though the AF was making a mistake in retiring the A-10 because it's a great airplane for what it does, but the arena has changed and the plane hasn't.

 

[clarksvol00]

Dude is a straight bozo, he has no credibility left. Not only is he delusional and irrational, he's anti-American. Hopefully he'll disappear like that Qanon clown.

I forgot about Qanon guy. I assume you're talking about the one that disappeared when Trump didn't retake the presidency in March 2021.

 

[Matt2496]

Dude is a straight bozo, he has no credibility left. Not only is he delusional and irrational, he's anti-American. Hopefully he'll disappear like that Qanon clown.

I wouldn't want him to disappear. Otherwise, this thread would just be a constant echo chamber. I personally enjoy the back and forth arguments.

 

[WBO]

In relatively uncontested airspace before the advent of things that the A-10 wasn't designed to have hit and bounce off. Air defense has changed a lot in 50 years, and the A-10 hasn't gotten any faster.

I really though the AF was making a mistake in retiring the A-10 because it's a great airplane for what it does, but the arena has changed and the plane hasn't.

Correct, you send the A-10s into the areas where you have established air superiority.

The AF hates the close ground support mission, has since WW2. It's why they never complain when the Army keeps developing ground support capability in excess of regs. If it's not air superiority or high altitude bombing, the AF doesn't want to do it.

McCain really used to let them have it over this issue.

 

[KB5252]

Even Putin isn’t that stupid it would force the intervention of NATO directly into the conflict.

Riddle me this..... If things were going so swimmingly why would Russia even have to threaten the use of such weapons?

The outlook for Russia isn't good, they have to find a way to push this to conclusion soon.

 

[LouderVol]

1. .338 isn't a common NATO round and you know that. So it isn't a round that is in high military demand compared to 5.56, 2.23 or 7.62X51
2. Russia doesn't mass produce this particular round and you know that
3. A lot of it is, but even a the Russians are not going to ignore a good thing when the see it

1. pretty sure our new rifle is chambered in .338, so there goes that argument.
2. Actually I didn't know what Russia mass produces, but I guess that's what I get for listening to your lies about the power of Russia manufacturing. Seems strange they don't mass produce ammo for their #1 issued sniper rifle.
3. so again, the Russians aren't as independent as you want them to be, and went to war with a common small arms weapon they couldn't supply ammo for. I haven't heard you say the west is running out of any small arms caliber ammo, or has to rely on Russia for it.