War in Ukraine

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Rasputin_Vol said:
So now the narrative is that they are not only running out of shells, but running out of tanks?
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its an "and" situation rather than an "or".

They are mostly using the really old tanks t54/t55s as artillery because they had to pull their artillery back to replace barrels from firing so much. Now they are going to have to do the same for those tanks, not sure if the artillery is ready to come back online. One of the benefits of the T54s and 55s is they have the same caliber cannon as one of Russia's most common artillery shells. The newer tanks have larger calibers, which are typically only used for direct fire situations. so in this case the T55s being outdated didn't really matter much because they aren't seeing much front line use, even though they are still being captured/destroyed at a noticeable rate.

so yes, they could easily be running out of both.
 
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OrangeBoro said:
Not mine. I remember when you dems tried to play like you were fiscally conservative during Trumps 4 years, it was cute but all knew it was fake
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LOL..... No different than the decades of Republicans attempting to convince us of the same....... You didn't really believe them did you?
 
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OrangeBoro said:
Not mine. I remember when you dems tried to play like you were fiscally conservative during Trumps 4 years, it was cute but all knew it was fake
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you mean the same way the R's pretend to be fiscally conservatives during a D presidency but don't have a problem with spending, like under Trump....

two sides of the same coin.
 
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Hey @Rasputin_Vol, does your love of Russia come from their hatred of gays, or were you just enthralled by that strapping shirtless Putin on horseback, which is totally not something a gay man would do, you know.

 
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LouderVol said:
you mean the same way the R's pretend to be fiscally conservatives during a D presidency but don't have a problem with spending, like under Trump....

two sides of the same coin.
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Many people like myself didn’t like the budgets but accepted it to get the military spending.
The same budget that is providing the weapons used in this war and people that complained about the deficit spending applaud these weapon transfers
 
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Orangeburst said:
Many people like myself didn’t like the budgets but accepted it to get the military spending.
The same budget that is providing the weapons used in this war and people that complained about the deficit spending applaud these weapon transfers
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As a country we need to stop blindly supporting crazy defense spending. We aren’t getting good ROI on our tax dollars. Hey I made a living on that spending and I still say it’s too much.

We need major defense spending and systems procurement reform. We can get the same level of capability we’re getting today by spending less. We have to decouple the cozy relationship of the defense industry from their government oversight just as Eisenhower warned to do and force efficiency improvements in the contractors.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
As a country we need to stop blindly supporting crazy defense spending. We aren’t getting good ROI on our tax dollars. Hey I made a living on that spending and I still say it’s too much.

We need major defense spending and systems procurement reform. We can get the same level of capability we’re getting today by spending less. We have to decouple the cozy relationship of the defense industry from their government oversight just as Eisenhower warned to do and force efficiency improvements in the contractors.
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Actual procurement is what $150B? So yea we need better efficiency on The procurement side but what to do about other costs?
 
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Orangeburst said:
Actual procurement is what $150B? So yea we need better efficiency on The procurement side but what to do about other costs?
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Oh I think you can cut development costs too. Im not aware of any other industry that is paid to be inefficient. Imagine buying your car three years before you actually take possession and oh by the way they want another 25% on delivery due to unforeseen design and build complications🤷‍♂️

I expect this out of areas like DARPA. They are expected to fail at least half the time. But we shouldn’t accept that as normal on sustainment design modifications for example. It’s already a mature system and they’re supposed to have a really good clue what they’re doing by that point
 
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