War in Ukraine

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Orangeburst said:
He is pushing for immediate entry into NATO as well
His loyalty seems to still reside in Ukraine
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And that’s another patently incorrect stance. Ukraine should not be considered at all for NATO membership while hostilities are ongoing. There needs to be a return to normalcy and sovereign borders established before that dialog should occur.

Again you don’t buy insurance after your house is on fire
 
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lawgator1 said:
Somewhat but tough call given the way things are going.
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It really isn’t a tough call at all. The munitions are largely condemned by most all western countries and the US is in the minority position of not banning and condemning them. Oh wait… we did condemn Russia’s use of them… and then gave them to Ukraine. This is on par with Russia using depleted uranium rounds from day one and then cryimg foul on the west supplying depleted uranium rounds to Ukraine.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
WTF would Ukraine need to join NATO right now if NATO is supporting them anyways?
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It's pretty clear to me why Ukraine would want in. But the question is moot. There is not enough support here or abroad for Ukraine to be admitted at this time given their current situation. I cannot see why NATO would want admit a country already at war unless the situation deteriorates to the point that NATO feels they have to act collectively. Something like tactical nuclear strikes by Russia. And if that happens Russia will be alone against in the world anyway.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
It really isn’t a tough call at all. The munitions are largely condemned by most all western countries and the US is in the minority position of not banning and condemning them. Oh wait… we did condemn Russia’s use of them… and then gave them to Ukraine. This is on par with Russia using depleted uranium rounds from day one and then cryimg foul on the west supplying depleted uranium rounds to Ukraine.
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Suspect your conclusion would be different if Trump was sending them.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Suspect your conclusion would be different if Trump was sending them.
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Weak sauce. Read a bit more in here I’ve said even with Trump’s blathering on he would “stop the war” he would continue the status quo. Also I called the US hypocrites here. This was another bipartisan decision.

Take a lap.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I'm not sure what this comment is in reference to???
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You believe what you read/hear/see in the news? I don't. Walter Cronkite unmasked about biased Vietnam reporting popped that bubble years ago. Then there was the Three Mile Island reporting - talk about people not knowing what they were talking about. It got reinforced one day years later when reading the second of two local daily newspapers. The story wasn't even particularly political, but the republican newspaper and the dem newspaper almost made whatever it was sound like two completely separate events. The lessons repeat. I take what the news delivers with a grain of salt. How can you remember the Trump Russia Collusion, misquoted quotes, impeachments, etc and believe any current news organization is due the least bit of respect? These days you can't even believe all that you see because the video is selectively edited.
 
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AM64 said:
You believe what you read/hear/see in the news? I don't. Walter Cronkite unmasked about biased Vietnam reporting popped that bubble years ago. Then there was the Three Mile Island reporting - talk about people not knowing what they were talking about. It got reinforced one day years later when reading the second of two local daily newspapers. The story wasn't even particularly political, but the republican newspaper and the dem newspaper almost made whatever it was sound like two completely separate events. The lessons repeat. I take what the news delivers with a grain of salt. How can you remember the Trump Russia Collusion, misquoted quotes, impeachments, etc and believe any current news organization is due the least bit of respect? These days you can't even believe all that you see because the video is selectively edited.
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Rules to live by:

Rule number 1: Never trust the government.
Rule number 2: Never trust the news media.

I'm pretty sure that the CIA had something called "Operation Mockingbird" at one point back in the day. Basically they were influencing what the media was saying. I'm sure that still goes on plenty.
 
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Don't put those Challenger tanks in a "risky" situation. They might break a finger nail... WTF???

Ukrainian Armed Forces Face Difficulties With Challenger 2 Tanks Amid UK Demands

The Ukrainian Armed Forces have encountered difficulties in using Challenger 2 tanks because of London's requirements for their operation and maintenance, according to military analyst Drago Bosnic.

He also highlighted that the British command is now seeking assurances from Kiev that no British-supplied Challenger 2s will be used in risky operations, lest they be destroyed or captured by the Russian military.

"This includes special requests for storage to prevent long-range strikes, which effectively makes the 'Challenger 2' the most pampered weapon system in the conflict," Drago Bosnic said.
 
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AM64 said:
You believe what you read/hear/see in the news? I don't. Walter Cronkite unmasked about biased Vietnam reporting popped that bubble years ago. Then there was the Three Mile Island reporting - talk about people not knowing what they were talking about. It got reinforced one day years later when reading the second of two local daily newspapers. The story wasn't even particularly political, but the republican newspaper and the dem newspaper almost made whatever it was sound like two completely separate events. The lessons repeat. I take what the news delivers with a grain of salt. How can you remember the Trump Russia Collusion, misquoted quotes, impeachments, etc and believe any current news organization is due the least bit of respect? These days you can't even believe all that you see because the video is selectively edited.
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I can't believe you asked me, of all people, if I believe everything I see in the news.

Also, thanks Boomer for the Walter Cronkite reference. I'm sure you eagerly tune in at 6:30 Eastern/5:30 Central to see what Cronkite has to say about Ukraine and Syria...
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I can't believe you asked me, of all people, if I believe everything I see in the news.

Also, thanks Boomer for the Walter Cronkite reference. I'm sure you eagerly tune in at 6:30 Eastern/5:30 Central to see what Cronkite has to say about Ukraine and Syria...
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So are you saying you don’t buy all that Russian media propaganda ******** you post? Good… progress

You literally posted Russian state media propaganda in one post and immediately followed it by calling out somebody for believing media outlets. What a complete damn lack of self awareness HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! 😂🤡
 
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