War in Ukraine

1. I originally was going to add Musk to that list, but as of now, I cannot really call him an enemy to humanity or free speech. Now, having said that, his choice of Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO is a cause for concern. But for now, I will cut him a bit of slack for now.

With regards to Russia's economy being an abject failure right now... that is a total lie and you know it. 40 years ago, when I was in elementary school, we laughed about Russians using single ply toilet paper or no toilet paper at all. But 3 years ago in your romanticized America, we literally couldn't wipe our azzes because we didn't have the production capacity/not tooled to make more toilet paper. And keep in mind... that was just toilet paper, not high tech military equipment.

Lastly, all I am doing is pointing out the clear hypocrisy that you all exhibit. Most of you guys saw clearly through the media lies about Russiagate, the pandemic and the 2020 elections... but now you same guys are willing for some reason (I think I know the reason) to side with these same media groups and even lying azz Joe Biden himself to support a war that you can clearly see was initiated by the US/NATO and that we are clearly losing.

Let me ask you one thing, just to see if I should take you seriously anymore or if I should completely ignore you: Is Joe Biden admitting that the Kyiv regime and the US/NATO is running out of ammunition a sign of them winning or a sign of them losing? Don't pull out some one off events from history or some exceptional circumstance from wherever. Just tell me is one side of a conflict running out of ammunition a sign of them winning or losing?
we had plenty of toilet paper and capability to make it. It was the distribution that was jacked all to hades, and an incredibly inflated demand. I forget the exact numbers because its been a couple years, but the US sold something like more TP in 2months than it had in any 2 year period previously. The distribution was jacked because of the government(s), and the various Covid interruptions more than a particular manufacturing deficit.

and our manufacturing output has increased from 20 years ago, it may still not be "enough", a vague term you will never define, but its nothing something that is ignored.

Manufacturing Industry Statistics.

The only real "issue" is that we don't EMPLOYEE as many people in manufacturing as we used to. And thats because we are much more efficient than we used to be with automation. So you either need to pick output ,which is up, or employment which was doing fine until Covid jacked us all to hades. and for what its worth, even the countries you like to hold up as exemplars of industry were similarly struck by Covid, China in particular is still struggling with it. It got so bad that China finally actually had to down grade their propaganda about how much the country was "growing".
 
Turkey should be ostracized by the western world but it's not going to happen.
Another maybe not. I’ll give Erdogan one thing he’s one savvy bastard politically and plays western diplomats and politicians like a fiddle. He makes Putin look like preschool in that regard.
 
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Russian supply lines are much longer, how can you not see that?

Why in the world would we not be sharing satellite and drone data of Russian troop movements and mine laying activities within Ukraine? They aren't laying mines inside Russia.

Are you vying for champion excuse maker with this post?
Longer from what? Where they are made in Russia? I am sure by this point Russia has several layers of distribution close to the front, so no it is not longer. The Russian supplies are established, and unless Ukraine makes some crazy gains, 50 miles minimum, they aren't going to impact Russian logistics. On the other hand Ukraine will have to extend it supply lines as it pushes forward. That is a lot more difficult to do under combat situations than drawing from established positions that the Russians will theoretically be pushed closer to. And considering how little is actually made in Ukraine I would Ukraine's supply lines from York Pennsylvania is far longer than Russia pulling from Niznhy Tagil Russia. Both are the relative largest tank manufacturers for each side.

I have never said they weren't sharing information with them. I have said we don't know what information we are sharing with them, and we don't know how/if Ukraine has used it, or if they even can use it. If Ukraine wasn't looking for the mining activities why would you expect them to know about it? As far as I understand it satellite images are just pictures, and it doesn't come automatically labeled with all the information of what is being looked at. Experts, or computer programs would be required, are we providing that, or are we just providing the stills? And even if we are giving them the exact level of information, nothing says Ukraine had that as a priority to review, and incorporate into their plans.

I am just pointing out the realities, you are calling them excuses in order to avoid dealing with the fact that war isn't pretty and doesn't go as expected. I have said from the start, and still believe that Ukraine will lose. period. no excuse making about it. even if they do win, failed offensives, and defenses, are a part of the winning side's history. A large Ukrainian offensive, if that is what was actually planned, has failed/not arrived.

There are a myriad of reasons why it has failed, weather was never an "excuse" I made, that is one you brought up. I was just pointing out how your excuse of weather wasn't consistent to itself when you say its only an issue for the Russians, but only helps the Ukrainians. I was pointing out the very self evident truth that that assumption is bs. The weather helps/hurts both sides the same. any advantage given to Ukraine by frozen ground is given to Russia, any disadvantage for Russia will also hinder Ukraine.
 
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Another maybe not. I’ll give Erdogan one thing he’s one savvy bastard politically and plays western diplomats and politicians like a fiddle. He makes Putin look like preschool in that regard.
He’s a scary guy. If he had the military might, I’m sure he’d be waging jihad left and right.
 
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so a good democracy is one that ignores its own Constitution?

I can understand not liking that they aren't scheduled to have elections IF things are still going on in spring 2024. But I don't understand calling them out for following their own laws.

something has to give, either democracy OR holding up their constitution.

If Ukraine Constitution allows for it, I will concede to you on the argument. I know the US Constitution has NO provision.
 
I am currently stuck in Liberia waiting on final Visa to take my adopted daughter home (we got final approve recently). Interesting how some on here hate America but talking to Liberians here, they would do anything to come to USA. Perhaps travel more Rasputin and it may give you a clearer mind.

Congratulations, volbound1700!
 
If Ukraine Constitution allows for it, I will concede to you on the argument. I know the US Constitution has NO provision.
yeah, that was the start of the discussion. Ukrainian Constitution says no elections if they are under martial law. They are under martial law due to being invaded.

People can argue its a crap clause, and not true to the spirit of democracy, but that's in their Constitution. People want to say its wrong because WE don't do it that way.
 
Ukraine's NATO membership path: Allies wrangle, Kyiv sees progress

I’ve seen it mention here about holding out on NATO membership and I agree. I just dont know what it accomplishes at this time. Maybe someone can chime in. Do some of these political leaders want to go ahead and clean these Russians out of Ukraine as soon as possible?

The problem seems obvious to me: Ukraine is at war with Russia. If they are admitted into NATO during such a conflict, doesn't that automatically mean all of NATO is at war with Russia, instantly?

And all of this goes a long way to figuring out the timing on this. The MAGA crowd insinuate that Putin "waited" for Trump to be out and Biden in before invading. But that makes no sense of course since Trump either would not have supported Ukraine at all, or would have done so weakly, complaining all the way about NATO participation levels.

Fast forward to Biden winning and Putin says he wants a guarantee that Ukraine will not join NATO. Biden refuses to agree, as he cannot.

Russia invades Ukraine.
 

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