War in Ukraine

[LouderVol]

Feel free to show a change in US debt policy, that is a direct result of giving monetary aid to Ukraine.

what? Why does it need to be a policy change to matter? What a weird argument to make.

Again your article points out how historical the amount is we are giving to Ukraine. I am guessing you are just ignoring that part of the equation, when something is "historical" that means its something new/different? And that's from your own source that was positive towards the giving. A neutral source would probably have used terms more reflective of reality instead of selling opinions.

 

[BeardedVol]

how does that article help your argument?

It still points out that we are giving them billions of dollars.

$26.4 billion in financial loans, the money to back the loan had to come from somewhere.
$18.3 billion in security assistance, it certainly isn't free to provide direct intelligence, logistic support, or training. If nothing else there is manpower required by the US.
$4.7 billion in weapons loans/grants. The money to buy those weapons had to come from somewhere.

that's still at least 50 billion gone from our coffers. and its not like the weapons we are giving them $23.5 billion were free to us. The only argument there is that we aren't spending 23.5 NOW. and I would also hazard a guess that shipping isn't cheap for that much equipment.

So you are proposing, that roughly $50 billion in loans and security assistance, which is committed but has not been all paid out, is why the US had to raise debt ceiling after bringing in $4.9 trillion dollars in revenue in 2022, with a projected $4.8 trillion to be collected in 2023?

Spending roughly 1% of the total federal revenue of 2022 is responsible for the US needing to raise the debt ceiling?

 

[BeardedVol]

what? Why does it need to be a policy change to matter? What a weird argument to make.

Again your article points out how historical the amount is we are giving to Ukraine. I am guessing you are just ignoring that part of the equation, when something is "historical" that means its something new/different? And that's from your own source that was positive towards the giving. A neutral source would probably have used terms more reflective of reality instead of selling opinions.

So show us all how the US debt policy would be any different, were we not providing Ukraine with military/monetary aid.

 

[Rocky_Top_Vol13]

 

[KB5252]

What happened to dark mode?

Edit: I figured it out.

 

[tvolsfan]

Pretty good big-picture view of the economic dynamic in the war. Doesn't really get into the Russian political situation, though.

I want to like the guy, but I often find his videos to be unnecessarily long.

 

[LouderVol]

So show us all how the US debt policy would be any different, were we not providing Ukraine with military/monetary aid.

Again, I find this a very weird argument to make.

We are in debt, a debt we can not/are not paying off. Going into MORE debt for someone else's benefit makes ZERO sense.

you are completely avoiding the actual subject. The actual money we are spending. Our policy has been crap for decades. If it's worth complaining about once, its worth complaining about 100 times. We are just throwing away more and more money. We are making OUR problem WORSE. I have no idea why you guys are ok with our problem getting worse and worse. So worried about Ukrainians' financials, but not about Americans'.

Its another Afghanistan, was the 4 trillion dollars we spent there worth it? How much did all the debt help the situation? Its not like we are spending this money wisely. Your only argument is that we COULD be spending it worse, thats crap. We shouldn't be spending it at all.

 

[LouderVol]

So you are proposing, that roughly $50 billion in loans and security assistance, which is committed but has not been all paid out, is why the US had to raise debt ceiling after bringing in $4.9 trillion dollars in revenue in 2022, with a projected $4.8 trillion to be collected in 2023?

Spending roughly 1% of the total federal revenue of 2022 is responsible for the US needing to raise the debt ceiling?

Lol, the reason we had to raise the debt ceiling was because we continue to create new sacred cows of never ending spending. Ukraine seems to be another of those.

that is 1% of revenue that has already been spent. we are spending more than we are making. Its a completely different mindset to give money while you are financially stable, we just avoided a default back in June, we aren't financially stable. It cost us on our credit score, which means higher interest payments, which means inflation is higher than it should be.

 

[BeardedVol]

Again, I find this a very weird argument to make.

We are in debt, a debt we can not/are not paying off. Going into MORE debt for someone else's benefit makes ZERO sense.

you are completely avoiding the actual subject. The actual money we are spending. Our policy has been crap for decades. If it's worth complaining about once, its worth complaining about 100 times. We are just throwing away more and more money. We are making OUR problem WORSE. I have no idea why you guys are ok with our problem getting worse and worse. So worried about Ukrainians' financials, but not about Americans'.

Its another Afghanistan, was the 4 trillion dollars we spent there worth it? How much did all the debt help the situation? Its not like we are spending this money wisely. Your only argument is that we COULD be spending it worse, thats crap. We shouldn't be spending it at all.

Yes, we run a deficit model of funding. Aid to Ukraine has zero bearing on the federal government running a deficit.

Since 1960, we've raised the debt ceiling 78 times. Sending aid to Ukraine, regardless of the amount, will not chance the current policy in Washington, to use a deficit spending model for budgets.

I'm not sure why you want to try to bring Afghanistan spending in on this, but again, what we spent each year there, was a miniscule amount of the yearly budget. You can argue against it till you are blue in the face, but it still will not change how the federal government spends more than it brings in.

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

From my perspective Putin is still winning more then NATO..and continuing down a path that seem to help him more and drain resources seems madness. No I do not like Putin. But I see the Ukrainain people suffering more then anyone as they play proxies for NATO. If Putin wanted to have a new Holodomor, and starve out the Ukraine again, he'd be villified by the world, and possibly get the UN giving permission to take him out. However he's basically accomplishing a Holodmor on the male Ukrainian population, while the world cheers, and he remains sympathetic to many. How many ethnic Ukrainian men of child bearing age are being lost a day, how many kids that would have been Ukraines future simply cease to exist? Who will sweep in when this is over? Way to go NATO, you're basically promoting and Invisible Holodomor all over again. If you wanted to forever change the demographics of Ukraine and get rid of native Ukrainian families this would be one way to accomplish that.

 

[BeardedVol]

From my perspective Putin is still winning more then NATO..and continuing down a path that seem to help him more and drain resources seems madness. No I do not like Putin. But I see the Ukrainain people suffering more then anyone as they play proxies for NATO. If Putin wanted to have a new Holodomor, and starve out the Ukraine again, he'd be villified by the world, and possibly get the UN giving permission to take him out. However he's basically accomplishing a Holodmor on the male Ukrainian population, while the world cheers, and he remains sympathetic to many. How many ethnic Ukrainian men of child bearing age are being lost a day, how many kids that would have been Ukraines future simply cease to exist? Who will sweep in when this is over? Way to go NATO, you're basically promoting and Invisible Holodomor all over again. If you wanted to forever change the demographics of Ukraine and get rid of native Ukrainian families this would be one way to accomplish that.

"Play proxies for NATO"

How exactly is trying to fight off an invasion by your genocidal neighbor, being a "proxy for NATO"?

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

When your neighbor realized they were in to deep and were ready to sue for peace, but your nato benefactors said no no .....keep fighting lets draw this out...and now you keep losing all gains ever made and several generations of your people because your supposed friends don't give a F*** about you but just want to use you to attack that neighbor. While that neighbor uses minimal effort to continue to drain resources, and kill your male population....and your puppet in chief snorts down all the cocaine he can at the countries expense.

 

[BeardedVol]

When your neighbor realized they were in to deep and were ready to sue for peace, but your nato benefactors said no no .....keep fighting lets draw this out...and now you keep losing all gains ever made and several generations of your people because your supposed friends don't give a F*** about you but just want to use you to attack that neighbor. While that neighbor uses minimal effort to continue to drain resources, and kill your male population....and your puppet in chief snorts down all the cocaine he can at the countries expense.

At what point was Russia ever ready to "sue for peace"?

Did Russia ever stop launching attacks in Ukraine?

Did Russia ever remove soldiers from the internationally-recognized borders of Ukraine?

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

 

[evillawyer]

It would end tomorrow if Russia withdrew to it's internally recognized borders.

 

[BeardedVol]

Lol, Douglas MacGregor.

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

Yeah..cause that guy is more reputable then Col Macgregor... maybe you don't know who he is. But I sure as hell do and so do many others...

Macgregor was "one of the Army's leading thinkers on innovation", according to journalist Thomas E. Ricks. He "became prominent inside the Army" when his book Breaking the Phalanx was published in 1997, arguing for radical reforms.[5] Breaking the Phalanx was rare in that an active duty military author was challenging the status quo with detailed reform proposals for the reorganization of U.S. Army ground forces.[11] The head of the Army, United States General Dennis Reimer, passed out copies of the book, but its reforms failed to win the support of the general officer corps.[12] It advocated that "the Army restructure itself into modularly organized, highly mobile, self-contained, combined arms teams that look extraordinarily like the Marine Corps' Air Ground Task Forces".[13] His article "Thoughts on Force Design in an Era of Shrinking Defense Budgets" was published in the Israeli Dado Center Journal.

MANY people listen to Macgregor, and if you think for even a split second he wants to lose ANY conflict with Putin or Russia your insane. But yeah. Beleive some second rate propogandist on youtube, over Col Macgregor who is very well known to be a cold calculating and excellent tactician and logistician. I only hope if I am ever in a war with another nation or group their led by a know it all, poorly educated blowhard for the narrative, poor journalist like Ryan Macbeth, then an actually West point Prodigy like Col Macgregor.

 

[BeardedVol]

Yeah..cause that guy is more reputable then Col Macgregor... maybe you don't know who he is. But I sure as hell do and so do many others...



MANY people listen to Macgregor, and if you think for even a split second he wants to lose ANY conflict with Putin or Russia your insane. But yeah. Beleive some second rate propogandist on youtube, over Col Macgregor who is very well known to be a cold calculating and excellent tactician and logistician. I only hope if I am ever in a war with another nation or group their led by a know it all, poorly educated blowhard for the narrative, poor journalist like Ryan Macbeth, then an actually West point Prodigy like Col Macgregor.

How exactly does that change the fact the he spouts unsubstantiated nonsense, and has been making terrible predictions that haven't come true for the last year?



Ryan McBeth actually still works with the military, and actually does have access to people who are currently involved in providing aid to Ukraine, unlike MacGregor who is as much of a pariah as pedophile Scott Ritter these days.

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

I want you to think about what you just said. Everything Macgregor can be substantiated. He doesn't deal in non facts or feelings. He coldy only cares for substantiated facts. You then give Mcbeth for working with the military (who exactly does the cia count as military now?) I'm glad you admit he has a vested interested in billions of funding to Ukraine and thus his stake in the pie. Macgregor has successfully lead tanks and men into battle, with amazing results, come up with frankly brilliant strategies, is still studied, and many of his recomendations are now being put into practice. Generals well above his paygrade listened to him and handed out his books and recommendations. But your think that is trumped by a "propogandist" that works with the bag men for what is basically an intelligence operation that has been lying to public and yes sees Ukrainian people as mere proxies for their ends...

Whatever, if you feel this strongly about sending more of the Ukrainians though the meat grinder, or possibly our guys, why not go suit up and go there yourself. They're pretty open to any volunteers just now...age and experience don't matter much.

As far Macgregor being a Pariah, that's the biggest star on his chest, he's that rare brass that wasn't a "Yes" man, but was a "this is the reality of it" man. It's why he didn't get a real star, he tells it like it is. But he is HIGHLY respected by people looking for ways to actually win battles, and not advertise for them.

 

[BeardedVol]

I want you to think about what you just said. Everything Macgregor can be substantiated. He doesn't deal in non facts or feelings. He coldy only cares for substantiated facts. You then give Mcbeth for working with the military (who exactly does the cia count as military now?) I'm glad you admit he has a vested interested in billions of funding to Ukraine and thus his stake in the pie. Macgregor has successfully lead tanks and men into battle, with amazing results, come up with frankly brilliant strategies, is still studied, and many of his recomendations are now being put into practice. Generals well above his paygrade listened to him and handed out his books and recommendations. But your think that is trumped by a "propogandist" that works with the bag men for what is basically an intelligence operation that has been lying to public and yes sees Ukrainian people as mere proxies for their ends...

Whatever, if you feel this strongly about sending more of the Ukrainians though the meat grinder, or possibly our guys, why not go suit up and go there yourself. They're pretty open to any volunteers just now...age and experience don't matter much.

As far Macgregor being a Pariah, that's the biggest star on his chest, he's that rare brass that wasn't a "Yes" man, but was a "this is the reality of it" man. It's why he didn't get a real star, he tells it like it is. But he is HIGHLY respected by people looking for ways to actually win battles, and not advertise for them.

Lol, no it can't and Ryan McBeth takes his nonsensical statements apart in his video.

For example, his claim of 400,000 Ukrainian casualties, he provides zero source for, and there is zero evidence of that being a factual statement.

MacGregor has been pushing Russian propaganda for a decade, he's a darling of RT news; this is nothing new for him.

Let “Russians” in eastern Ukraine “join Russia,” Trump’s German ambassador pick told RT

Last week, US President Donald Trump nominated a retired US army colonel Douglas Macgregor, the 1991 Gulf War hero, as ambassador to Germany. The US Senate still needs to confirm Trump's choice of Mcgregor. The White House statement date 27 July 2020 says that the “decorated combat veteran...

euromaidanpress.com

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

If you actually wanted to win this war in Ukraine you'd pick someone like Macgregor to organise it, and not the idiots currently doing so. This is a proxy war. And Ukrainian people are the meat for the grinder....sure russians are also meat for the grinder...But Putin is very much willing to sacrifice them, and is a much larger nation that can afford attrition much longer then Ukraine.

I think the irony is Putin agrees with NATO"s strategy at the moment... if he didn't, he'd be doing more to change the current paradigm. He might be an evil son of a b*tch, but unlike our leadership he doesn't repeat mistakes for the sake of optics. He's a dictator optics are quite unimportant to him...see current biometrics of wagner guy splayed across the crash site. If the current status quo was bad for him he'd change it. A more depopulated Ukraine is going to end up being repopulated by non Ukrainians.....

 

[BeardedVol]

If you actually wanted to win this war in Ukraine you'd pick someone like Macgregor to organise it, and not the idiots currently doing so. This is a proxy war. And Ukrainian people are the meat for the grinder....sure russians are also meat for the grinder...But Putin is very much willing to sacrifice them, and is a much larger nation that can afford attrition much longer then Ukraine.

I think the irony is Putin agrees with NATO"s strategy at the moment... if he didn't, he'd be doing more to change the current paradigm. He might be an evil son of a b*tch, but unlike our leadership he doesn't repeat mistakes for the sake of optics. He's a dictator optics are quite unimportant to him...see current biometrics of wagner guy splayed across the crash site. If the current status quo was bad for him he'd change it. A more depopulated Ukraine is going to end up being repopulated by non Ukrainians.....

I mean, if you were looking for someone to organize a full surrender, I could see MacGregor being your first choice.

American colonel predicting the imminent defeat of Ukraine has been doing this since the first day of the war

Russian propaganda constantly uses foreigners to prove that the whole world is on the side of Russia. Also, propaganda pretends that the opinion of an American is the official position of America, and the opinion of an Italian is the official position of Italy, and so on.

disinfo.detector.media

 

[Septic]

Yeah..cause that guy is more reputable then Col Macgregor... maybe you don't know who he is. But I sure as hell do and so do many others...



MANY people listen to Macgregor, and if you think for even a split second he wants to lose ANY conflict with Putin or Russia your insane. But yeah. Beleive some second rate propogandist on youtube, over Col Macgregor who is very well known to be a cold calculating and excellent tactician and logistician. I only hope if I am ever in a war with another nation or group their led by a know it all, poorly educated blowhard for the narrative, poor journalist like Ryan Macbeth, then an actually West point Prodigy like Col Macgregor.

Macgregor is a russian nut hugger.

 

[KB5252]

You know how I know your post was nonsense?

When you claimed the US was game planning and running the Ukrainian conflict (aka) defense of it's homeland.

It's been discussed over and over by US officials and military that Ukraine has not followed or implemented training we have given. Ukraine is fighting for their independence from a foreign aggressor and we are assisting with equipment and tactics.

 

[Velo Vol]

Strange. Is everything normal now?

Yes. Just that one visit where I posted at 4:55 a.m. The icons and everything looked different. I reloaded 10 minutes later and it was mostly normal (though it looks like you've made some other minor changes).