War in Ukraine

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BeardedVol said:
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Man up and stop jerking off
 
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KB5252 said:
If you don't at least respect the government and will of the people in this country then yes.......... You are anti American.

You can gripe and complain about it all you want. Hell I do. But if you have the same contempt and prejudice against this government as you appear to have of Ukraine's...... Then yes, anti American would describe you well.
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Whoa whoa. Hating our government doesn't make anyone anti American.
 
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hog88 said:
The wording in the first paragraph was waaaaay off. The worst government imaginable is a true democracy operating off the will of the people and frankly our government deserves no respect. IMO having no respect for our government or the will of the people is in no way anti-American.
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To not respect the process or the will of our Rep Republic is a problem. And the back and forth between one part and the other we've seen only gets us deeper and more entrenched into the idiocy we've found ourselves in.
 
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Ttucke11 said:
Whoa whoa. Hating our government doesn't make anyone anti American.
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Not respecting the process and the divisive brand of politics we find ourselves in is. That hate only serves to overcorrect the other direction. Been saying that since the Bush Obama years.
 
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KB5252 said:
To not respect the process or the will of our Rep Republic is a problem. And the back and forth between one part and the other we've seen only gets us deeper and more entrenched into the idiocy we've found ourselves in.
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To not respect the constitution is a problem and anti-American which means the vast majority of the politicians and bureaucrats within our federal government are anti-American.
 
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tnmarktx said:
Would this require the conscription of their women?
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Are you against conscription for women in the US if the draft should be necessary? Women want equal rights - that includes the good and the bad. I personally don't believe women belong in combat units; but if it's sexist to believe that way, then how could including women in a draft be viewed differently? Equal means equal; not "equal" with qualifications or reverse discrimination.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I’m not a fan of what Elon did by a long shot but I do understand his desire to stay out of it. He’s a business man not any serving military or even government official. But it’s so naive to not see the dual use capability of Starlink and it got me to wondering what its ITAR/EAR classification actually is. If it isn’t classified as dual use with export controls that is a failing of state and commerce plain and simple.

But no he shouldn’t have intervened right in the middle of the strike and I read somewhere he was aware of that being exactly what he did. That wasn’t the time and he could have swiftly followed up with some important talks.

In the end it was moot as it’s pretty clear Starlink has been used for exactly what he intervened on for over a year and a half now so he basically just looks like an over reacting idiot on that case.
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I think if he didn't want to be involved, he wouldn't have signed the DOD contract, and given the Ukrainian government Starlink terminals.
 
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hog88 said:
They could have done it by now if they wanted to but damaging it get‘s the mouth breathers all lathered up wanting to fork over more money.
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Eh I’d guess that is the most defended target in the whole theater for both its strategic and symbolic uses.
 
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BeardedVol said:
I think if he didn't want to be involved, he wouldn't have signed the DOD contract, and given the Ukrainian government Starlink terminals.
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When did that happen? At the break out of hostilities there wasn’t an agreement in place that I’m aware of? But if there was a contract in place when he did that I agree with you.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Just looked it up. June of this year. Which makes his prior actions look even more idiotic.

SpaceX's Starlink Wins Pentagon Contract for Satellite Services for Ukraine

www.voanews.com www.voanews.com
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He'd already signed a contract with the Air Force in august of 2022, and was asking the DOD to pay for Ukrainian Starlink by October.

Not to mention rolling out a government specific version of Starlink called Starshield.
www.space.com

SpaceX reveals 'Starshield' satellite project for national security use

Starshield will leverage SpaceX's Starlink broadband technology for government customers.
www.space.com www.space.com
 
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Ttucke11 said:
I mean we installed the government that pushed this war. I'm sure plenty of Ukrainians are against it. They are led by a corrupt government and influenced by another (us). Meanwhile, the only ones who suffer are everyday Russians and Ukrainians forced into fighting for rich oligarchs. Time and time again.
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ENOUGH with this. I’m so sick of this idea that Ukrainians are fighting Russia against their will on our behalf. I do not understand how people keep lapping that up.
 
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norrislakevol said:
If they hadn't have fought, Kiev and the the rest of the country would be over run. Now, Russia will be unable to over run the rest of the country. I have little confidence that Ukraine will have the ability to retake lands in the east where the Russians are firmly dug in in this trench, World War I type of war, but the loss of significant portions of Ukrainian land in the future to the hands of the Russians will likely not occur. If Ukraine is smart, they will hold what they have, take about 10 years to build up a huge, advanced military, and then invade the lands that Russia has taken in this conflict when they have much greater strength and weapons. If Russia would be foolish enough to invade another neighbor (they probably would), then that is when Ukraine could strike. That's what I'd do at least.
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That won't happen. Part of the negotiations for this to end will be on Russia's terms... which will be the de-militarization of Ukraine.

Or, if necessary, they will just have to march to Lviv...
 
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AM64 said:
Are you against conscription for women in the US if the draft should be necessary? Women want equal rights - that includes the good and the bad. I personally don't believe women belong in combat units; but if it's sexist to believe that way, then how could including women in a draft be viewed differently? Equal means equal; not "equal" with qualifications or reverse discrimination.
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Amazing that you would pick the opportunity to be an egalitarian when the subject of the draft/war comes up.
 
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thegrayzone.com

Ukraine’s ‘biggest arms supplier’ orchestrated 2014 Maidan massacre, witnesses say - The Grayzone

Once denounced by Zelensky as a "criminal," gun runner Serhiy Pashinksy has become the top private supplier of arms to Ukraine. Eyewitness testimony has fingered Pashinsky as the architect of a bloody false flag operation which propelled the 2014 Maidan coup and plunged the country into civil...
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Perhaps predictably, the report makes no mention of evidence implicating Pashinsky in the 2014 massacre of 70 anti-government protesters in Kiev’s Maidan Square, an incident which pro-Western forces used to consummate their coup d’etat against then-President Viktor Yanukovych.​

 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
That won't happen. Part of the negotiations for this to end will be on Russia's terms... which will be the de-militarization of Ukraine.

Or, if necessary, they will just have to march to Lviv...
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Because that’s going so great for them now. For an offensive army marching to Lviv they sure do build a whole bunch of layered defenses and dig into one spot, Moe! 🤡
 
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