War in Ukraine

[AM64]

No, that 56% are just the typical establishment sheep.

Or that pol is crap, one or the other.

Not at all. If you believe that the world should be a civil place and countries have a right to sanctity, then there's a need to support a country under attack by another. Note I didn't say anything at all about going to war with a country because the country harbors or perhaps supports terrorists. This mutual support for a country under attack should extend from the basic principle that we believe our own citizens should have the right to be safe within our own country. It's hard to understand how anyone can respect the Tennessee Volunteer tradition and turn his back on a nation under attack by a world power.

 

[KB5252]

No you don't. To answer your question, I have far more disdain for this gov than I'll ever have for the Ukrainian gov.

See my edit.

 

[BeardedVol]

I have a hard time believing anything regarding any Poll to be perfectly honest. I don't believe anything that's posted either for or against Ukraine or Russia in regards to the war. The fact that Ukraine is conscripting their women to fight is eye opening.

I see now, you "have a hard time believing anything regarding any Poll" , but you go full-on 'fat kid at Cicis pizza' on any poorly-sourced Russian propaganda; got it.

 

[tnmarktx]

I see now, you "have a hard time believing anything regarding any Poll" , but you go full-on 'fat kid at Cicis pizza' on any poorly-sourced Russian propaganda; got it.

Which Russian propaganda have I eat up? I believe Russia has lost more than they have reported. I also believe Ukraine has lost more. I believe Russia had more to spare. I also don't believe the number of Ukrainians lost is less than the number of Russians. It's simple math, really. I also believe that the longer this war goes on, that the Ukrainian forces will be completely destroyed, what then?

 

[Pennheel]

"Putin like governing"? Please, do elaborate, on what is "Putin like" about Ukraine's government, and why even if it were to be an accurate statement, would somehow justify Russia's genocidal invasion of their country, that you believe the Ukrainian people should capitulate to?

The Ukrainians are choosing to resist Russia, why you seem to be incapable of comprehending that fact, is beyond all logic at this point.

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Hmmm... The bottom photo looks so much like democratically elected officials in one country. The other two,not so much. Odd how that is. The rest,I agree with you.

 

[hog88]

Wording was off for sure, went a little too far. My true feelings are the next paragraph you didn't highlight.

The wording in the first paragraph was waaaaay off. The worst government imaginable is a true democracy operating off the will of the people and frankly our government deserves no respect. IMO having no respect for our government or the will of the people is in no way anti-American.

 

[BeardedVol]

Hmmm... The bottom photo looks so much like democratically elected officials in one country. The other two,not so much. Odd how that is. The rest,I agree with you.

Lukashenko isn't known at the "last dictator in Europe" for nothing.

Belarus poll workers describe fraud in Aug. 9 election

MINSK, Belarus (AP) — Even before the Aug. 9 presidential election in Belarus ended, a poll worker in Minsk said she was asked to sign a document summing up its result, with the vote totals left blank.

apnews.com

 

[AM64]

And while we are sending billions of dollars worth of cash and material to Ukraine our military is degrading, what good is weakening Russia through supporting Ukraine if we're weakening ourselves?

Are the two really linked or are we sending stockpiles of unused equipment that military spending on new and "better" stuff has made obsolete? I'm not arguing degradation in our military due to equipment; I think the degradation is far more the move to extremely expensive, complex, and difficult to maintain weaponry that will require even more extensive logistics than past weaponry has needed. We're basically retiring the entire F-15 fleet - except for Es and EXs in production. The F-16s going to Ukraine aren't even ours, but even if they were, they would be considered expendable because they are being phased out for F-35s. The thing is an F-15 might still fly, but all the C models have a lot of airframe hours and accumulated operating fatigue - fathers and sons might have flown the same plane.

 

[hog88]

Are the two really linked or are we sending stockpiles of unused equipment that military spending on new and "better" stuff has made obsolete? I'm not arguing degradation in our military due to equipment; I think the degradation is far more the move to extremely expensive, complex, and difficult to maintain weaponry that will require even more extensive logistics than past weaponry has needed. We're basically retiring the entire F-15 fleet - except for Es and EXs in production. The F-16s going to Ukraine aren't even ours, but even if they were, they would be considered expendable because they are being phased out for F-35s. The thing is an F-15 might still fly, but all the C models have a lot of airframe hours and accumulated operating fatigue - fathers and sons might have flown the same plane.

Sell the old stuff to Europe and let them give it to Ukraine.

 

[BeardedVol]

Which Russian propaganda have I eat up? I believe Russia has lost more than they have reported. I also believe Ukraine has lost more. I believe Russia had more to spare. I also don't believe the number of Ukrainians lost is less than the number of Russians. It's simple math, really. I also believe that the longer this war goes on, that the Ukrainian forces will be completely destroyed, what then?

Didn't I see you posting on here about 400K dead Ukrainians soldiers?

 

[tnmarktx]

Didn't I see you posting on here about 400K dead Ukrainians soldiers?

Is that number as far off as the 100k claimed?

 

[BeardedVol]

Is that number as far off as the 100k claimed?

In the absence of countervailing information you just make something up in your head, or go by whatever Russian propaganda you've read that day?

Quite convenient for your cognitive dissonance.

Russian propaganda spreads fake about death of 400,000 Ukrainian soldiers

Russian propaganda has made a fake video, in which the Kyivstar mobile operator allegedly asks to send a 'Thank you' message to the phone numbers of fallen soldiers

global.espreso.tv

 

[tnmarktx]

In the absence of countervailing information you just make something up in your head, or go by whatever Russian propaganda you've read that day?

Quite convenient for your cognitive dissonance.

Russian propaganda spreads fake about death of 400,000 Ukrainian soldiers

Russian propaganda has made a fake video, in which the Kyivstar mobile operator allegedly asks to send a 'Thank you' message to the phone numbers of fallen soldiers

global.espreso.tv

What's the real death toll of Ukrainian forces?

 

[BeardedVol]

What's the real death toll of Ukrainian forces?

I'm not privy to that information, but given the size of their armed forces on 2/24/2022, 400,000 deaths would mean another 1.2 million injured if the 3-1 ratio held true, which would be far beyond the total number of personnel in the entirety of their armed forces.

 

[tnmarktx]

I'm not privy to that information, but given the size of their armed forces on 2/24/2022, 400,000 deaths would mean another 1.2 million injured if the 3-1 ratio held true, which would be far beyond the total number of personnel in the entirety of their armed forces.

Would this require the conscription of their women?

 

[volfanhill]

I didn't realize clown college got out for fall break this early

 

[Burhead]

 

[BeardedVol]

Would this require the conscription of their women?

Women have been part of the Ukrainian armed forces since 1993.

I'm not sure why you find it surprising that during an invasion, women would be subject to conscription.

Which began by the way, in December of 2021.

Ukraine Requires Women to Register for Military Conscription as Russia Threat Looms

Women between 18 and 60 who are "fit for military service" and work in a broad range of professions are required to register with Ukraine's armed forces.

www.military.com

 

[evillawyer]

That's alright. Russia is protected by old tires. Like to see atacms try to pierce those.

 

[BeardedVol]

About time. Should have happened over a year ago.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Drop that Kerch Bridge once and for all!!

 

[BeardedVol]

Drop that Kerch Bridge once and for all!!

I hope they sink the Black Sea fleet at anchor, just to spite Elon.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I hope they sink the Black Sea fleet at anchor, just to spite Elon.

I’m not a fan of what Elon did by a long shot but I do understand his desire to stay out of it. He’s a business man not any serving military or even government official. But it’s so naive to not see the dual use capability of Starlink and it got me to wondering what its ITAR/EAR classification actually is. If it isn’t classified as dual use with export controls that is a failing of state and commerce plain and simple.

But no he shouldn’t have intervened right in the middle of the strike and I read somewhere he was aware of that being exactly what he did. That wasn’t the time and he could have swiftly followed up with some important talks.

In the end it was moot as it’s pretty clear Starlink has been used for exactly what he intervened on for over a year and a half now so he basically just looks like an over reacting idiot on that case.

 

[Orangeburst]

About time. Should have happened over a year ago.

About time you guys stop being keyboard warriors and became mercs and put some skin in the game

 

[BeardedVol]

About time you guys stop being keyboard warriors and became mercs and put some skin in the game