War in Ukraine

[Ttucke11]

We are all against the war. It's just Putin and defense contractors that wants the war.

FYP.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I'm not worried. I'm simply pointing out if we don't support Ukraine and defeat the Russians here and we simply had let them roll over Ukraine they will continue expansion. Just as in 2014 we let the conflict freeze the next war will be bigger and deadlier for better or worse the war has to end in Ukraine.

There would have never been anything started in 2014 had the West/US simply allowed the Ukrainians to have economic ties with Russia and the EU in the fall of 2013. The US started this and overthrew the democratically elected leader.

 

[NorthDallas40]

There would have never been anything started in 2014 had the West/US simply allowed the Ukrainians to have economic ties with Russia and the EU in the fall of 2013. The US started this and overthrew the democratically elected leader.

Once again you’re FOS. It was your bald dwarf buddy whom stipulated Russia or the EU. Pick only one.

And as we’ve shown you repeatedly the bald dwarf’s puppet was removed by his own people due to his own actions.

 

[BeardedVol]

There would have never been anything started in 2014 had the West/US simply allowed the Ukrainians to have economic ties with Russia and the EU in the fall of 2013. The US started this and overthrew the democratically elected leader.

That's an obvious lie, and you know it.

The EU in no way attempted to stop Ukraine from trading with Russia, and in fact Russia embargoed Ukraine because they were thinking signing a trade deal with the EU.

Russian embargo of Ukrainian goods - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[AM64]

Their military isn't good enough to do that. They could pick off some smaller countries though.

That's the real issue in many ways if you ignore the fact that countries have a right to security and self determination. If Russia (or any similar country) takes over adjacent countries and can consolidate the win, then with the gained natural resources, land mass putting them in close proximity to the next conquest, and gain in conscripts for the military, Russia is a stronger and more powerful menace with a base nearer the next country to pick off. Look what a takeover of Ukraine and Belarus would do for a European campaign.

 

[AM64]

So Russia is still very much a 3rd world country then? That makes the idea of them having nukes and bio-weapons that much scarier.

With a few more Wagners and some coups, Russia could rank right up there with the best Africa has to offer ... but as you say with some very scary offensive weapons. The truth is that without a strongman like Putin, Russia really could become all that. That's not a plug for Putin either; just a statement of fact. Russia really is a third world country with nukes, tremendous amount of land, and a lot of natural resources. Over-endowed in body with a pea sized brain and criminal mind.

 

[evillawyer]

Hey @Rasputin_Vol, did the much ballyhooed T-14 Armatas get a redesign?

 

[evillawyer]

I really don't get the lefties shilling for Putin. Putin is a thug. He's a kleptocrat. He's is not a friend of the poor and downtrodden.

 

[TNVOLNAVY]

Well somebody finally slipped up and admitted the real reason the war mongering filth are funneling billions to a crap hole corrupt country.

 

[lawgator1]

Well somebody finally slipped up and admitted the real reason the war mongering filth are funneling billions to a crap hole corrupt country.

Hi Vlad.

 

[lawgator1]

I really don't get the lefties shilling for Putin. Putin is a thug. He's a kleptocrat. He's is not a friend of the poor and downtrodden.

Signaling a safe haven if Putin will step down ?

 

[Orangeburst]

Well somebody finally slipped up and admitted the real reason the war mongering filth are funneling billions to a crap hole corrupt country.

**** that is dumb

 

[KB5252]

I don't know why you should be concerned about this. Russia is getting their azzes handed to them in Ukraine. The conflict is stalled. Russia is being exhausted of their military capabilities. NATO, collectively, is able to outlast the Russian military industrial complex... just a gas station masquerading as a country.

Isn't that the narrative?

Hello pot..... Have you met kettle yet?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Well somebody finally slipped up and admitted the real reason the war mongering filth are funneling billions to a crap hole corrupt country.

Why don't we spend the resources on productive peace time projects and build up our own economy and defend our own borders and freedoms?

 

[BeardedVol]

Why don't we spend the resources on productive peace time projects and build up our own economy and defend our own borders and freedoms?

Why doesn't Russia stop killing Ukrainians, and move their soldiers back to Russia?

 

[volfanhill]

Why doesn't Russia stop killing Ukrainians, and move their soldiers back to Russia?

Bc they are saving them from the gay, nazi, and zombie Ukrainians duh

 

[norrislakevol]

That's the real issue in many ways if you ignore the fact that countries have a right to security and self determination. If Russia (or any similar country) takes over adjacent countries and can consolidate the win, then with the gained natural resources, land mass putting them in close proximity to the next conquest, and gain in conscripts for the military, Russia is a stronger and more powerful menace with a base nearer the next country to pick off. Look what a takeover of Ukraine and Belarus would do for a European campaign.

This is true!

 

[Velo Vol]

I really don't get the lefties shilling for Putin. Putin is a thug. He's a kleptocrat. He's is not a friend of the poor and downtrodden.

I'm in favor of internationally ostracizing/isolating Putin, but as a practical matter, how would another government arresting him while he is the head of the Russian government even work?

 

[volfanhill]

I'm in favor of internationally ostracizing/isolating Putin, but as a practical matter, how would another government arresting him even work?

War declaration by Russia on whoever did it

 

[Velo Vol]

War declaration by Russia on whoever did it

The fallout might be worse than the status quo.

It's just not going to happen while he's in power.

 

[evillawyer]

I'm in favor of internationally ostracizing/isolating Putin, but as a practical matter, how would another government arresting him while he is the head of the Russian government even work?

Tell him not to come. There's an international arrest warrant for him. That scared him enough not to go to South Africa

 

[AM64]

I really don't get the lefties shilling for Putin. Putin is a thug. He's a kleptocrat. He's is not a friend of the poor and downtrodden.

The other question is if Brazil, Russia, India, China, and Saudi Arabia are members of BRICS, then why are they still being included in the G20 at all? If you have a global economic forum that a subset of members are trying to subvert, then screw 'em ... and the horses they ride in on, too.

 

[AM64]

This is true!

It's a bit like a modern day Domino Theory which actually wasn't fully discredited. The faulty part of the theory is that B would happen automatically because of A - a direct correlation. B can happen because A makes it possible or more feasible.

 

[AM64]

Tell him not to come. There's an international arrest warrant for him. That scared him enough not to go to South Africa

The rest of the G20 should have told both Brazil and Russia to go screw themselves and moved the meeting anyway.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

The other question is if Brazil, Russia, India, China, and Saudi Arabia are members of BRICS, then why are they still being included in the G20 at all? If you have a global economic forum that a subset of members are trying to subvert, then screw 'em ... and the horses they ride in on, too.

All the BRICS are wanting to do is have fair, mutually beneficial trade with each other without all of the nonsense pf sanctions and stipulations regarding "human rights", green energy, LGBTQIP+, etc.

How is that subverting the G20?