War in Ukraine

[Rasputin_Vol]

As usual, our solution will be a half million dollar weapon to take out a $500 drone before it can destroy a $9M tank. There are real lessons to be learned on this battlefield, and I wonder if we are paying attention.

Bring back our manufacturing and industrial base. Focus on STEM instead of woke/LGBTQIP+, focus on domestic energy production and mining, and engage in mutually beneficial trade with countries that have the resources we may be lacking.

 

[Velo Vol]

There are real lessons to be learned on this battlefield, and I wonder if we are paying attention.

One would think we are, though it's not a given.

There's lots of money committed to long-term, big ticket weapons contracts, I suspect.

 

[rekinhavoc]

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[USF grad in TN]

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IMO this is the most important sentence:
"With a criminal, bad faith actor like Putin, outside guarantors are even more needed."

The article proposes an outside peace keeping force. It would have to be a force that Putin will respect. Anything short of that could just give Putin time to re-arm and attack again later.

Who's going to do that if not NATO?

 

[AM64]

IMO this is the most important sentence:
"With a criminal, bad faith actor like Putin, outside guarantors are even more needed."

The article proposes an outside peace keeping force. It would have to be a force that Putin will respect. Anything short of that could just give Putin time to re-arm and attack again later.

Who's going to do that if not NATO?

The UN could be the peacekeeper EXCEPT Russia and China have veto power. What good is the UN if the two major belligerents have veto power and can block moves to restrain their illegal actions - like the invasion of Ukraine?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

IMO this is the most important sentence:
"With a criminal, bad faith actor like Putin, outside guarantors are even more needed."

The article proposes an outside peace keeping force. It would have to be a force that Putin will respect. Anything short of that could just give Putin time to re-arm and attack again later.

Who's going to do that if not NATO?

Putin the bad actor? Really?

Former Ukraine president Poroshenko: “Minsk agreements gave us 8 years to train the army.” “Do you know what the success of the Minsk agreements is? This document gave Ukraine eight years to build an army, an economy and a global pro-Ukrainian anti-P

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9gag.com

François Hollande confirms Minsk Agreements were a Western ploy

In an exclusive interview with the Kyiv Independent , former French President François Hollande backed up the comments made by former Chancellor Angela Merkel in Die Zeit . To the question

www.voltairenet.org

Merkel admits Minsk meant to buy Ukraine time | Lito U. Gagni

The cat is now out of the bag. Former German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s admission that the Minsk 1 and Minsk 2 peace protocols that sought to solve the problem of the Donbas region in Ukraine was not really meant for what it was supposedly intended to do: to have peace…

businessmirror.com.ph

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

The UN could be the peacekeeper EXCEPT Russia and China have veto power. What good is the UN if the two major belligerents have veto power and can block moves to restrain their illegal actions - like the invasion of Ukraine?

You bellyache about China and Russia yet don't have an issue with the US and UK in Yugoslavia, Iraq and Afghanistan...

 

[Velo Vol]

Putin the bad actor? Really?

Yes.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

If that were the case, then I might agree with you in part. This is much more about building a rival organization while remaining a member of the original organization with the intent to subvert it. Russia and China learned very well what being a UN member with veto power brings them. They are largely able to act badly with impunity by vetoing any UN resolutions to counter their actions. Maybe you just don't see a parallel.

I've had a chance to think more about this today. They wouldn't have to remain in it to subvert it. You are seeing them right now simply creating a parallel set of institutions and allowing countries to decide which way they want to go. Do they want to go with BRICS+ and maintain their sovereignty without having to deal with sanctions and pollical pressure from the US?

Or do they want to be slaves to the SWIFT system/ USD, destruction of national identity and culture, sh*tty trade deals, 57 genders, open borders, coerced into whatever wars/conflicts the Pentagon prioritizes and windmills & solar panels?

 

[BeardedVol]

Putin the bad actor? Really?

Former Ukraine president Poroshenko: “Minsk agreements gave us 8 years to train the army.” “Do you know what the success of the Minsk agreements is? This document gave Ukraine eight years to build an army, an economy and a global pro-Ukrainian anti-P

1,106 points • 268 comments

9gag.com

François Hollande confirms Minsk Agreements were a Western ploy

In an exclusive interview with the Kyiv Independent , former French President François Hollande backed up the comments made by former Chancellor Angela Merkel in Die Zeit . To the question

www.voltairenet.org

Merkel admits Minsk meant to buy Ukraine time | Lito U. Gagni

The cat is now out of the bag. Former German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s admission that the Minsk 1 and Minsk 2 peace protocols that sought to solve the problem of the Donbas region in Ukraine was not really meant for what it was supposedly intended to do: to have peace…

businessmirror.com.ph

Remind us all why the 'Minsk Agreements' exist in the first place?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

2 months later...

 

[Velo Vol]

Maybe it can get airplane parts from North Korea?

 

[Velo Vol]

 

[evillawyer]

Thoughts and prayers for your lads, @Rasputin_Vol

 

[BeardedVol]

That was a pinpoint shot. I hope the person who fired it got a medal for it.

 

[LouderVol]

It has to do with Putin like governing and putting them thru a fight they can't win. What of the conscription of women being required now? If the Ukrainians were kicking ass as most of you brag about, would this be happening? None of you actually care about the people of Ukraine, much like their gov and ours, you just have blood libel for Putin. If that's your end goal, why not post that the sacrifice of all Ukrainians lives are worth it. At least that's a believable statement.

First, it could be. Russia has more than 3x the population, its pretty close to 4x the population with the land and people they took from Ukraine. So even if they were winning easily, Russia massively outnumbers them. They aren't winning easily. I keep saying it, but neither side wants to admit it, this is what war actually looks like. We have grown too accustomed to watching the US invade some fly speck nation, or watching too many movies. real war like this, is far far different, and it goes beyond a pure numbers standpoint. This is a fight for survival. Apparently Ukrainians still prefer dying on the battlefield than in a Russian concentration camp in Siberia.

Two its a bit of an unequal comparison. Russia had introduced mandatory military service, for at least a year, but could be longer if the government wants it, for every male of a certain age. This is separate from their conscription, which they have expanded to include 60 year olds, and they also just increased their age for mandatory military service. Russia has openly been relying on mercenaries and foreign troops to fill their losses.

So its not like Russia is just rolling out a bunch of volunteers, and that Ukraine is the only one having to result to "extreme recruitment" to fill up the ranks.

 

[LouderVol]

I mean we installed the government that pushed this war. I'm sure plenty of Ukrainians are against it. They are led by a corrupt government and influenced by another (us). Meanwhile, the only ones who suffer are everyday Russians and Ukrainians forced into fighting for rich oligarchs. Time and time again.

and yet for some reason you ONLY complain about Ukraine's and our governments.

If you actually cared you would call out the Russian government too for starting the war. Only calling out the victim's government is bad form.

and no, we did not install the Ukrainian government. and even IF we had, Ukraine has had TWO elections since then. Zelensky wasn't one of the guys we "couped" into power.

 

[MG1968]

and yet for some reason you ONLY complain about Ukraine's and our governments.

If you actually cared you would call out the Russian government too for starting the war. Only calling out the victim's government is bad form.

and no, we did not install the Ukrainian government. and even IF we had, Ukraine has had TWO elections since then. Zelensky wasn't one of the guys we "couped" into power.

What, you mean Zelensky is the legitimate, elected leader of Ukraine? Why is Russia trying to thwart the will of the Ukrainian people?

 

[evillawyer]

Somebody drop that "Got anymore of them sanctions" Dave Chappelle meme for @Rasputin_Vol

 

[Rocky_Top_Vol13]

 

[NorthDallas40]

Somebody drop that "Got anymore of them sanctions" Dave Chappelle meme for @Rasputin_Vol

Done


@Rasputin_Vol

 

[LouderVol]

Would this require the conscription of their women?

it would require conscripting the dead. if it was true, there would literally be no military for the women to join.

 

[LouderVol]

Su-34 under wraps. Wonder how long it takes to get the tires off and get the plane in the air.

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I have to say, I was doubtful about the tires when they first showed up, but now its pretty clear its real.

 

[LouderVol]

Ukraine’s ‘biggest arms supplier’ orchestrated 2014 Maidan massacre, witnesses say - The Grayzone

Once denounced by Zelensky as a "criminal," gun runner Serhiy Pashinksy has become the top private supplier of arms to Ukraine. Eyewitness testimony has fingered Pashinsky as the architect of a bloody false flag operation which propelled the 2014 Maidan coup and plunged the country into civil...

thegrayzone.com

Perhaps predictably, the report makes no mention of evidence implicating Pashinsky in the 2014 massacre of 70 anti-government protesters in Kiev’s Maidan Square, an incident which pro-Western forces used to consummate their coup d’etat against then-President Viktor Yanukovych.​

you mean the guy who worked hand in hand with Yukoshenko?

"During the second round of presidential elections in 2004 and the Orange Revolution, Pashynskyi worked for the candidate Victor Yushchenko in the electoral district No. 66 in Zhytomyr Oblast. The result of his work was the largest increase of votes for Yushchenko between the first and second round of elections among the regions of central and western Ukraine."

 

[LouderVol]

How will they subvert the G20 or G7 when they have no regulatory power? And again, is free trade without fear of sanctions subversion? Where are the laissez-faire capitalists in the G20?

you act like BRICS doesn't have its own rules, and requirements, and the continued possibility of this alternate currency. what do you think the whole point of that is? Its to exert their own control, ie not laisse faire, over the markets.

This isn't some purist capitalistic movement, its purely, we want the ability to do what the big guys do. which is fine, its a voluntary organization, but stop pretending like its some hold out of the free market.