War in Ukraine

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newokie03 said:
Hopefully we don't find out. If we do, your comrades will not enjoy it all. We will establish air superiority immediately and then it is game on. After about 5-8 B-2 sorties, the road to the Crimean coast will be wide open.
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Trust me, and you damn well know this also... if the US felt confident that they could pull something like that off, they would have done far earlier. All we have are threats, bluffs, sanctions and Ukrainian blood.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Trust me, and you damn well know this also... if the US felt confident that they could pull something like that off, they would have done far earlier. All we have are threats, bluffs, sanctions and Ukrainian blood.
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It's obvious that you have no clue what our military can actually do. Your namesake Putin does know, that is why he has gone out of his way to make sure that he doesn't give NATO a reason. Like I said, air superiority would come first and the hell would be unleashed. Lots of Ladas and potatoes would be passed out.
 
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newokie03 said:
It's obvious that you have no clue what our military can actually do. Your namesake Putin does know, that is why he has gone out of his way to make sure that he doesn't give NATO a reason. Like I said, air superiority would come first and the hell would be unleashed. Lots of Ladas and potatoes would be passed out.
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Sure...
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Sure...
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When was the last time you were down range from an airstrike from the USAF or the USN? They can put a 500 pounder in your pocket at will. A few flights of Growlers and then a few follow up strikes by the Spirits and then it is just how much ordinance do they want to put on target.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Trust me, and you damn well know this also... if the US felt confident that they could pull something like that off, they would have done far earlier. All we have are threats, bluffs, sanctions and Ukrainian blood.
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My feelings about this conflict aside, US airpower is vastly superior in terms of tactics, weapons, resource deployment and delivery. We would own the skies and in short order. Same goes for ground power. Russians will never let go of the mindset that quantity has a quality all it's own. We have the quantity to match and the quality, technology and tactics to rout them in a land war as well. The US military is likely quite confident they could pull it off if they wanted to and probably equally confident Putin would resort to a last desperate act wrt nukes as a result.
 
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newokie03 said:
When was the last time you were down range from an airstrike from the USAF or the USN? They can put a 500 pounder in your pocket at will. A few flights of Growlers and then a few follow up strikes by the Spirits and then it is just how much ordinance do they want to put on target.
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I have as much experience with that as the US military has had against a country with a real air defense system. Trying to base US success off of Iraq/ME conflicts is folly.
 
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Vol737 said:
My feelings about this conflict aside, US airpower is vastly superior in terms of tactics, weapons, resource deployment and delivery. We would own the skies and in short order. Same goes for ground power. Russians will never let go of the mindset that quantity has a quality all it's own. We have the quantity to match and the quality, technology and tactics to rout them in a land war as well. The US military is likely quite confident they could pull it off if they wanted to and probably equally confident Putin would resort to a last desperate act wrt nukes as a result.
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This conflict has shown that the US and NATO combined have neither. Also, Stalin was Georgian (like Saakashvili)... not Russian.

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And WTF do you call the conflict right now if it isn't a land war? How is NATO/US doing right now? The 30+ members of NATO can't out gun the gas station and North Korea?
 
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newokie03 said:
You are so off base it isn't even funny. You are a laughingstock and have no clue why.
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All you've done is throw out marketing pitches and ad hominems as you suffer from normalcy bias.

Things have changed. 20-25 years ago, everything you are saying would have been true. But it is clear right now that the US MIC doesn't make weapons for war and to achieve specific war aims. The US MIC makes weapons that will produce large profit margins at low volumes.

Instead of you being mad at me for pointing out the obvious, you should be far more angry that a country that spends $800+ billion on military can't out produce the gas station masquerading as a country and Rocket Man.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
This conflict has shown that the US and NATO combined have neither. Also, Stalin was Georgian (like Saakashvili)... not Russian.

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And WTF do you call the conflict right now if it isn't a land war? How is NATO/US doing right now? The 30+ members of NATO can't out gun the gas station and North Korea?
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NATO is doing just fine and in fact hasn’t had a single combat casualty or equipment loss. Because NATO is not a combatant in this conflict. You can puff and blow all the propaganda you like saying otherwise but it’s all ********.

Where as your gas station attendant buddies are getting their navy decimated by a country that doesn’t even have a navy.
 
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Again, you have no clue. You and your Anti-American screed is old. I'm not going to ignore you because that is silly. But I will continue to mock your ignorance of what an actual 1st world military is capable of. Enjoy your Lada and taters Ras.
 
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newokie03 said:
Again, you have no clue. You and your Anti-American screed is old. I'm not going to ignore you because that is silly. But I will continue to mock your ignorance of what an actual 1st world military is capable of. Enjoy your Lada and taters Ras.
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Oh absolutely. Pointing and laughing at his Putin nut sack cradling azz is the only acceptable response 😂
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I have as much experience with that as the US military has had against a country with a real air defense system. Trying to base US success off of Iraq/ME conflicts is folly.
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In 1991 the airspace over Baghdad was the most fortified and heavily defended airspace on the planet. We neutralized their air defenses in a single night and then proceeded to pound them into oblivion until they gave up. Who was the equipment supplier and tactics trainer for all that equipment we dismantled with ease in one dark night?
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
In 1991 the airspace over Baghdad was the most fortified and heavily defended airspace on the planet. We neutralized their air defenses in a single night and then proceeded to pound them into oblivion until they gave up. Who was the equipment supplier and tactics trainer for all that equipment we dismantled with ease in one dark night?
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Rasputin_Vol said:
This conflict has shown that the US and NATO combined have neither. Also, Stalin was Georgian (like Saakashvili)... not Russian.

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And WTF do you call the conflict right now if it isn't a land war? How is NATO/US doing right now? The 30+ members of NATO can't out gun the gas station and North Korea?
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Well, you can split hairs on the term Russian, that’s fine. Stalin was Georgian then. The concept of quantity continued as standard practice for the Soviet/Russian military long after Stalin was dead and gone. My point is if the US lined up it’s troops, warplanes, ships, subs…it’s own people and equipment that it’s not giving to UK, we would overwhelm Russian forces decidedly. What we are currently doing is not the same by any stretch. Ukrainian forces are fighting a ground war. US forces are not.
 
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LouderVol said:
if they have the calls they need to release them. That is pretty scary stuff.

and I would be really interested to know where exactly this happened. the graphics show out in the Black Sea east and south of Ukraine, closer to Turkey than anywhere else. but that may not be accurate.
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This is the RC-135 flight path. It looks like the closest the plane might have been would be about 50 miles off the southern tip of Crimea - probably really a bit over 60 miles.



This article has far more detail about the incident.

Russian Su-27’s Missile Missed RC-135 Spy Plane After Deliberate Launch: Report
 
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