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RedState Interview: Ohio Freedom Caucus Member Has Questions for Zelensky​


An Ohio Republican congressman and member of the House Freedom Caucus told RedState he has questions for Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, as the comic-cum-war leader arrived in New York City today for his second visit to the United States, including an address to the United Nations General Assembly and visit to Washington.

“I'd be happy to meet with him or his delegation as someone who's been reluctant for the United States to get involved in a proxy war, but to say: ‘What would he view as success at this point?’” said Rep. Warren G. Davidson, who is also a member of the House Foreign Relations Committee.

Davidson said he recognized that the Ukrainians had fought gallantly against terrible odds, but Zelensky needs to lay out for lawmakers what his plan moving forward is.

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RedState Interview: Ohio Freedom Caucus Member Has Questions for Zelensky

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clarksvol00 said:
Are you accepting anonymous sources?
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CobbVol said:
That is SOP in the media today.
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Too bad the person getting the news can't drop the BS flag and demand compensation every time a writer uses fact by "Anonymous" - like being able to unsee and be compensated for wasted time. How do you know that Anonymous even supplied a fact at all if there is no record? "News reporting" seems to be almost the only place that a so called professional can lie to everybody and get a pass because there's no requirement to show proof under the guise of maintaining source confidentiality. Somehow I don't think this kind of conduct is what the FF expected when they installed freedom of the press in the Constitution.
 
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norrislakevol said:
His last two sentences are spot on. This war will drag on and on, and the cost will grow ever higher for both sides. And the longer it goes on, the higher of a chance that other European nations will become embroiled. If that happens, it may embolden China, then you have World War III.
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Wait, what could China do that would necessitate WWIII?
 
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norrislakevol said:
His last two sentences are spot on. This war will drag on and on, and the cost will grow ever higher for both sides. And the longer it goes on, the higher of a chance that other European nations will become embroiled. If that happens, it may embolden China, then you have World War III.
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American public support for aid is getting thin. People see the debt, social spending for illegals, crushing inflation and declining SOL. Regardless of the as long as it takes commitment from Biden, Congress is subject to public pressure. Zelensky better not wait until the last minute to look for some way out or he will be in a poor negotiating position.
 
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American public support for aid is getting thin. People see the debt, social spending for illegals, crushing inflation and declining SOL. Regardless of the as long as it takes commitment from Biden, Congress is subject to public pressure. Zelensky better not wait until the last minute to look for some way out or he will be in a poor negotiating position.
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they don't care about the debt. neither side really does. the issue is its just not at the top of everyone's mind anymore. We got bored and have moved on. kinda like a subscription you forget about until you see you are still being charged. you aren't worried about the specific amount of money specifically, just that you aren't sure why you are still paying for something you forgot about.
 
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they don't care about the debt. neither side really does. the issue is its just not at the top of everyone's mind anymore. We got bored and have moved on. kinda like a subscription you forget about until you see you are still being charged. you aren't worried about the specific amount of money specifically, just that you aren't sure why you are still paying for something you forgot about.
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You know people aren't serious about addressing the debt when they only point the finger at foreign spending and don't mention SS/Medicare, which is where the real money is being spent.
 
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Velo Vol said:
You know people aren't serious about addressing the debt when they only point the finger at foreign spending and don't mention SS/Medicare, which is where the real money is being spent.
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Yea another cluster **** government non voluntary entitlement program that took money away to give back to to us later in life. One has to start eating the elephant one bite at a time with discretionary spending. In a few years a $1.4T annual debt interest that will be as big as all discretionary spending.
 
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Velo Vol said:
You know people aren't serious about addressing the debt when they only point the finger at foreign spending and don't mention SS/Medicare, which is where the real money is being spent.
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agreed. no one wants to actually make cuts, they just want to see their issues get increased funding.

doesn't negate the underlying issue.
 
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@Rasputin_Vol's lads, doing totally not terrorist things. Onward Christian soldiers. Right Ras?

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Evidence Suggests Ukrainian Missile Caused Market Tragedy

The Sept. 6 missile strike on Kostiantynivka in eastern Ukraine was one of the deadliest in the country in months, killing at least 15 civilians and injuring more than 30 others. The weapon’s payload of metal fragments struck a market, piercing windows and walls and wounding some victims beyond...
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Evidence Suggests Ukrainian Missile Caused Market Tragedy

The Sept. 6 missile strike on Kostiantynivka in eastern Ukraine was one of the deadliest in the country in months, killing at least 15 civilians and injuring more than 30 others. The weapon’s payload of metal fragments struck a market, piercing windows and walls and wounding some victims beyond...
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Terrible, if true, but looking at the article it was news to me that the NYT has metal fragments expert reporters in Ukraine.
 
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Evidence Suggests Ukrainian Missile Caused Market Tragedy

The Sept. 6 missile strike on Kostiantynivka in eastern Ukraine was one of the deadliest in the country in months, killing at least 15 civilians and injuring more than 30 others. The weapon’s payload of metal fragments struck a market, piercing windows and walls and wounding some victims beyond...
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Why would military bomb-disposal experts giving their expert advice, feel the need to remain anonymous, if they are evaluating 1st-hand evidence, and giving their expert opinions?

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Evidence Suggests Ukrainian Missile Caused Market Tragedy

The Sept. 6 missile strike on Kostiantynivka in eastern Ukraine was one of the deadliest in the country in months, killing at least 15 civilians and injuring more than 30 others. The weapon’s payload of metal fragments struck a market, piercing windows and walls and wounding some victims beyond...
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they don't offer any real proof. just possibilities. each one of their points also highlights the possibilities of it being Russians.

The alleged missile system, shoots both air & ground targets, uses a missile Russia has used, and was fired at a certain time.

The timing is the best thing they have proof of with multiple witnesses. but considering it is also an anti-air/missile system, they could have been shooting at an incoming Russian missile.

They fired two missiles, what happened to the other one? Seems if it was a planned false flag both would have hit a Ukrainian target.
The article even mentions that the city had been attack by Russians the day before after Ukraine launched artillery attacks from nearby. The article also says similar attacks from Ukrainian territory happened the same day. so this could easily be more counter battery fire/revenge type.

a couple options I see possible based on purely the information provided in the article.
The Buk engaged the incoming attack with two of its own missiles. The two defense missiles may have missed the one missile.
One may have hit one target, and the second one missed the target allowing the Russian missile to land in the market.
The Russians may have launched 3, or more missiles, but with only 2 responses one got thru.
or it could be the market was hit by a stray Ukrainian missile as suggested.

Seems like there are 4 plausible stories, including the official story, and the article doesn't do anything but raise the possibility of another option outside of the official story.

no real proof. no real reasoning why one story or option from above is any more likely than another.

again it could be a case of friendly fire, just saying this article did nothing but raise that possibility. didn't remove any other options, didn't argue why one was more likely than another.
 
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Whether it was a Russian or a Ukrainian missile that hit the market, it remains true that if Russia got the f*** off of Ukraine's lawn and stopped trying to seize their land it wouldn't have occurred.
 
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evillawyer said:
Whether it was a Russian or a Ukrainian missile that hit the market, it remains true that if Russia got the f*** off of Ukraine's lawn and stopped trying to seize their land it wouldn't have occurred.
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You don’t gas about Ukraine, just hate Russia..cause the lie that was Trump Russian collusion. You have allied with Lindsey Graham and Bolden
 
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