War in Ukraine

[tvolsfan]

Poland’s only interest in Ukraine is kicking Russia out of it.

 

[norrislakevol]

You know people aren't serious about addressing the debt when they only point the finger at foreign spending and don't mention SS/Medicare, which is where the real money is being spent.

Not only those, the military budget is bloated as well. You could get the same results at a much cheaper cost if there were some oversight in the expenses. If someone is charging the government for something that cost is multiplied greatly. That needs to end. Couldn't do it all at once though, you'd have to do it a little at a time.

 

[norrislakevol]

I'm not discounting the possibility it's a errant Ukrainian missile. I'm big on internationally recognized borders and not stealing other people's sh*t. Russia recognized Ukraine's borders and sovereignty until they didn't. If they hadn't invaded Ukraine, this wouldn't have happened. This is ultimately on Russia, especially if this was an air defense missile fired in response to a Russian attack on Ukraine.

Yeah me too. Russia shouldn't be in Ukraine, and let's lock down our southern border while we're at it.

 

[LouderVol]

Russian missile???

Evidence suggests errant Ukrainian missile hit busy market - New York Times

Evidence suggests a deadly explosion at a busy market in the eastern Ukrainian city of Kostiantynivka this month was caused by an errant missile fired by Ukraine, the New York Times reported on Tuesday.

www.reuters.com

KYIV, Sept 19 (Reuters) - Evidence suggests a deadly explosion at a busy market in the eastern Ukrainian city of Kostiantynivka this month was caused by an errant missile fired by Ukraine, the New York Times reported on Tuesday.

Ukraine has said the Sept. 6 blast, which killed at least 16 people, was caused by a Russian missile.

"Evidence collected and analyzed by The New York Times, including missile fragments, satellite imagery, witness accounts and social media posts, strongly suggests the catastrophic strike was the result of an errant Ukrainian air defense missile fired by a Buk launch system," the newspaper reported.

weird that you didn't quote the very next line in that article:

"Reuters could not independently verify the report."

or this line at the end of the article:
"Holes caused by the explosion and fragments at the scene were consistent with the 9M38 missile fired by the mobile Buk anti-aircraft vehicle, it said. The Buk system is used both by Ukraine and Russia."

you don't seek the truth you seek any angle to make the west look bad, no matter how many things you have to blatantly ignore.
the actual article has already been discussed, and I did a more thorough break down of the issues of the actual article's expressed opinion, weird that you didn't respond to those early posts despite you penchant for necro'ing threads.

 

[Velo Vol]

Will Azerbaijan be satisfied with this? Or eventually go for more territory?

Nagorno-Karabakh forces agree Azerbaijan demand to disarm

 

[Rocky_Top_Vol13]

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

 

[Orangeburst]

US likely to send long-range ATACMS missiles to Ukraine for the first time: Officials

The United States is likely to send long-range ATACMS missiles to help Ukraine defend itself, officials tell ABC News.

abcnews.go.com

In July of 2022, National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan said the U.S. was "prepared to take risk," but implied that sending ATACMS could lead to direct conflict with Russia.

A surprising discovery could also ease the administration's choice to send the weapons: The U.S. has found it has more ATACMS in its inventory than originally assessed, the two officials told ABC News.

Decision To Give ATACMS To Ukraine Is About To Become Easier

With ATACMS' replacement arriving very soon, one major argument against sending the ballistic missiles to Ukraine would lose its potency.

www.thedrive.com

A story from ABC News earlier this month, which cited unnamed U.S. officials, said "the U.S. has found it has more ATACMS in its inventory than originally assessed," but did not elaborate. Assistant Secretary Bush pushed back on this today.
“There was nothing found,” he said. “That implies that something was not kept track of and that was not the case. Of course, we know exactly how many we have [and] exactly where they are.”

Surely some anonymous political WH hack didn’t lie to push these thru.

 

[BeardedVol]

 

[Velo Vol]

Not sure how much stock to put in that evidence, but if that fatality figure is true, it would mean that Russia has lost more troops in Ukraine than the US lost in all its wars, excluding the Civil War and WWII.

 

[Orangeburst]

How is this tweet any more verifiable than something from an anonymous source, which you routinely dismiss?

 

[BeardedVol]

How is this tweet any more verifiable than something from an anonymous source, which you routinely dismiss?

Because they actually sourced the information from a published source, instead of "anonymous politician" or "experts that asked no to be named"?

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Ukraine’s Transgender Spokesperson Suspended by Military, Zelensky Claims No Knowledge, as U.S. Citizen Journalist Still Remains Behind Bars in Ukraine​

The Ukrainian military has announced that it has suspended controversial transgender spokesperson Sarah Ashton-Cirillo for allegedly making unapproved statements on social media; however, there have been no updates from the Ukrainians or the Biden administration on the fate of an American citizen journalist currently imprisoned in Ukraine.

Ukraine's Transgender Spokesperson Suspended by Military, Zelensky Claims No Knowledge

The Ukrainian military announced that it has suspended controversial transgender spokesperson Sarah Ashton-Cirillo for allegedly making unapproved statements on social media.

www.breitbart.com

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

 

[evillawyer]

You go on worrying about that nothingburger, Ras. I'll just sit back and watch your lads bleed out after getting punched in the mouth.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

US likely to send long-range ATACMS missiles to Ukraine for the first time: Officials

The United States is likely to send long-range ATACMS missiles to help Ukraine defend itself, officials tell ABC News.

abcnews.go.com

In July of 2022, National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan said the U.S. was "prepared to take risk," but implied that sending ATACMS could lead to direct conflict with Russia.

A surprising discovery could also ease the administration's choice to send the weapons: The U.S. has found it has more ATACMS in its inventory than originally assessed, the two officials told ABC News.

Decision To Give ATACMS To Ukraine Is About To Become Easier

With ATACMS' replacement arriving very soon, one major argument against sending the ballistic missiles to Ukraine would lose its potency.

www.thedrive.com

A story from ABC News earlier this month, which cited unnamed U.S. officials, said "the U.S. has found it has more ATACMS in its inventory than originally assessed," but did not elaborate. Assistant Secretary Bush pushed back on this today.
“There was nothing found,” he said. “That implies that something was not kept track of and that was not the case. Of course, we know exactly how many we have [and] exactly where they are.”

Surely some anonymous political WH hack didn’t lie to push these thru.

You know you have a defense department in disarray when they don't know how many weapons they have in inventory, can't account for where the weapons they are sending are going, can't find a $100 million jet that crashed on domestic soil and has to rely on a mostly civilian use satellite service for targetting Russian positions.

But we are going to fight wars against Russia and China simultaneously?

 

[AM64]

Not only those, the military budget is bloated as well. You could get the same results at a much cheaper cost if there were some oversight in the expenses. If someone is charging the government for something that cost is multiplied greatly. That needs to end. Couldn't do it all at once though, you'd have to do it a little at a time.

There's a secondary problem. A lot of the military contractors are almost captive companies - they don't produce products other than military hardware, so they can't profit on high volume sales of something like TVs or other consumer equipment. Keeping a captive industry that turns out small quantities of highly complex equipment made to Mil Spec standards and not over the counter parts is going to be expensive. Your standard electronic system isn't going to need parts that operate at temperature, humidity, and altitude extremes that military equipment does; and it definitely is unlikely to have to meet the same shock and vibration needs ... unless you are watching TV or using a computer while Baja off road racing.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

There's a secondary problem. A lot of the military contractors are almost captive companies - they don't produce products other than military hardware, so they can't profit on high volume sales of something like TVs or other consumer equipment. Keeping a captive industry that turns out small quantities of highly complex equipment made to Mil Spec standards and not over the counter parts is going to be expensive. Your standard electronic system isn't going to need parts that operate at temperature, humidity, and altitude extremes that military equipment does; and it definitely is unlikely to have to meet the same shock and vibration needs ... unless you are watching TV or using a computer while Baja off road racing.

I wonder how we were able to transition in WWII from a commercial industrial base to a military industrial base so quickly? It was almost as though we had the engineers, machinists and technicians that could retool and refit production lines to transition and accomodate both needs. Could the Big Three today transition from building SUVs to building tanks and Jeeps at a moments notice?

Rhetorical question...

 

[AM64]

I wonder how we were able to transition in WWII from a commercial industrial base to a military industrial base so quickly? It was almost as though we had the engineers, machinists and technicians that could retool and refit production lines to transition and accomodate both needs. Could the Big Three today transition from building SUVs to building tanks and Jeeps at a moments notice?

Rhetorical question...

Could they transition quickly to the basic product ... maybe. Could the robotic assembly systems be upscaled to meet far bigger welding needs, could the assembly transports meet the weight challenge from and SUV to a tank ...??? Assembly lines were different at the time of WW2, and I'd bet the workers were a lot more flexible to the jobs needing done. One real issue would be the electronics going into the equipment - both the systems themselves and the components necessary to build the systems. We had a lot of the the same issues in the nuclear industry; once you have to qualify electronic parts and systems to meet environmentally severe operating conditions then all sense of cost comparison to consumer equipment goes out the window. My guess is that newer factories are too closely scaled to building the cars and trucks on the road to switch to tanks; and no current Ford plant could turn out an F-35 much less the WW2 B-24s that Ford built. If Packard existed today, they might turn out WW2 Rolls Merlin engines but never an F-35 engine.

 

[KB5252]

You know you have a defense department in disarray when they don't know how many weapons they have in inventory, can't account for where the weapons they are sending are going, can't find a $100 million jet that crashed on domestic soil and has to rely on a mostly civilian use satellite service for targetting Russian positions.

But we are going to fight wars against Russia and China simultaneously?

According to you we already are.

 

[Velo Vol]

You know you have a defense department in disarray when they don't know how many weapons they have in inventory, can't account for where the weapons they are sending are going, can't find a $100 million jet that crashed on domestic soil and has to rely on a mostly civilian use satellite service for targetting Russian positions.

Maybe we can open the purse strings to hire a Russian military consultant who can tell us how to get our house in order.

 

[norrislakevol]

There's a secondary problem. A lot of the military contractors are almost captive companies - they don't produce products other than military hardware, so they can't profit on high volume sales of something like TVs or other consumer equipment. Keeping a captive industry that turns out small quantities of highly complex equipment made to Mil Spec standards and not over the counter parts is going to be expensive. Your standard electronic system isn't going to need parts that operate at temperature, humidity, and altitude extremes that military equipment does; and it definitely is unlikely to have to meet the same shock and vibration needs ... unless you are watching TV or using a computer while Baja off road racing.

Yes, you are correct in that respect, but some simpler items are also overcharged.

 

[Orangeburst]

is that because he made those threats to kill Westerners that were considered Russian propagandists?

 

[NorthDallas40]

Yes, you are correct in that respect, but some simpler items are also overcharged.

Everything is overcharged. And the damn procurement system encourages it frankly. The “lowest cost bidder” on a government contract is still gonna wind up being higher than a commercial equivalent if there is one. Just doing business with the government costs more money.

 

[FLVOL_79]

You know you have a defense department in disarray when they don't know how many weapons they have in inventory, can't account for where the weapons they are sending are going, can't find a $100 million jet that crashed on domestic soil and has to rely on a mostly civilian use satellite service for targetting Russian positions.

But we are going to fight wars against Russia and China simultaneously?

Joined Wagner comrade? What is this "we" sh!t?