War in Ukraine

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#726
Rasputin_Vol said:
You didn't answer my question earlier. Was it the Russian leaning leadership that gave up the nukes or was it the West leaning leadership?
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Your question is bull ****. They gave them up because we coerced them to that’s it. Because we didn’t want them to have ICBMs that could reach the US. And we obviously were wrong to do that. The rest of your fishing to feed your disinformation is noise.
 
#727
#727
Rasputin_Vol said:
You act like modern day Russia is no different than the USSR under Stalin... or Brezhnev for that matter.

You don't see people fleeing Russia or trying to anything of that nature like you saw during the Cold War era. You guys grew up hating Russia and still have that same perception of the country 30+ years after the fall of communism. It's 2022. Time to turn the page.
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Flee? How will they flee? Their citizens are some of the poorest citizens in the world among developed nations. The place is a S hole. And it is because of leaders like Putin.

But yes they do flee, you see it all the time in the tennis world.
 
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allvol123 said:
Flee? How will they flee? Their citizens are some of the poorest citizens in the world among developed nations. The place is a S hole. And it is because of leaders like Putin.

But yes they do flee, you see it all the time in the tennis world.
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Putin is such a benevolent desp… er leader that his citizens don’t need money Vlad will provide!
 
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#729
#729
Rasputin_Vol said:
Aggressor? The NATO moving into former Warsaw Pact countries and installing missiles aimed at Russia is the catalyst for Russia having to counter NATO. The US/NATO broke their word and now want to act innocent. These guys know good and damn well that they are provoking Russia and trying to back them in a corner.
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Perhaps. If so, it'd be akin to FDR's pressure on Japan that... shock... led to Pearl Harbor.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Your question is bull ****. They gave them up because we coerced them to that’s it. Because we didn’t want them to have ICBMs that could reach the US. And we obviously were wrong to do that. The rest of your fishing to feed your disinformation is noise.
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So we (The United States) made Ukraine do something that was not in their best interests. If you are Ukraine, why in the world would you trust anything else the US/NATO request of you?

If we would mind our own damn business and let Europe and Russia settle their own differences, we wouldn't find ourselves involved in these bungles and snafus in the first place.
 
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#732
allvol123 said:
Flee? How will they flee? Their citizens are some of the poorest citizens in the world among developed nations. The place is a S hole. And it is because of leaders like Putin.

But yes they do flee, you see it all the time in the tennis world.
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All the time? You probably have a trickle compared to the 1970s and 80s when you would here of a gymnast or ice skater or Bolshoi ballerina trying to defect.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
So we (The United States) made Ukraine do something that was not in their best interests. If you are Ukraine, why in the world would you trust anything else the US/NATO request of you?

If we would mind our own damn business and let Europe and Russia settle their own differences, we wouldn't find ourselves involved in these bungles and snafus in the first place.
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Try to keep up. I know you’re focused on Putin’s sack and its highly distracting for you but that was actually my entry point to all this. None of this would be happening if we didn’t make Ukraine give up their nukes. Putin wouldn’t have the balls to invade even with all the loving caresses of them. You’re welcome.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Try to keep up. I know you’re focused on Putin’s sack and its highly distracting for you but that was actually my entry point to all this. None of this would be happening if we didn’t make Ukraine give up their nukes. Putin wouldn’t have the balls to invade even with all the loving caresses of them. You’re welcome.
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No you keep up... my point is what I've highlighted. We need to stay out of other people's affairs and let them sort out their own problems.

And if NATO hadn't tried to expand into former states and had the US State Dept now spurred on a coup in 2014, Putin would have no need to make any moves in Ukraine.

Again, Putin is only reacting to the moves made by the US/NATO.
 
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#735
Well well well... Come eat your crow, folks. AYCE...

The CIA Has Been Training Ukrainian Paramilitaries To 'Kill Russians' | ZeroHedge

The CIA has been overseeing a secret training program for Ukrainian special operations forces and intelligence operatives since 2015, Yahoo News reported on Thursday, citing five former intelligence and national security officials.

One former CIA official said the US is "training an insurgency" in Ukraine and that the program teaches the Ukrainians how "to kill Russians," although other officials downplayed the training and said it was not meant for offensive purposes.

The training has been held at an undisclosed base in the southern United States. It was started by the Obama administration, was expanded by President Trump, and further expanded by President Biden. The program includes training in firearms, camouflage techniques, land navigation, and other areas, former officials told Yahoo.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
No you keep up... my point is what I've highlighted. We need to stay out of other people's affairs and let them sort out their own problems.

And if NATO hadn't tried to expand into former states and had the US State Dept now spurred on a coup in 2014, Putin would have no need to make any moves in Ukraine.

Again, Putin is only reacting to the moves made by the US/NATO.
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The endless parade of “someone made Putin do it”.

So lame.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
No you keep up... my point is what I've highlighted. We need to stay out of other people's affairs and let them sort out their own problems.

And if NATO hadn't tried to expand into former states and had the US State Dept now spurred on a coup in 2014, Putin would have no need to make any moves in Ukraine.

Again, Putin is only reacting to the moves made by the US/NATO.
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No YOU keep up. I opened stating that however I’m not on board with propagating your damn Putin love affair. We shouldn’t have talked them into it and Putin shouldn’t have invades Ukraine. Don’t bother with your usual protest on how it was just nobody buys that bull ****. Well except Pacer.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
No YOU keep up. I opened stating that however I’m not on board with propagating your damn Putin love affair. We shouldn’t have talked them into it and Putin shouldn’t have invades Ukraine. Don’t bother with your usual protest on how it was just nobody buys that bull ****. Well except Pacer.
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Mind your business.
 
#741
#741
Rasputin_Vol said:
Well well well... Come eat your crow, folks. AYCE...

The CIA Has Been Training Ukrainian Paramilitaries To 'Kill Russians' | ZeroHedge

The CIA has been overseeing a secret training program for Ukrainian special operations forces and intelligence operatives since 2015, Yahoo News reported on Thursday, citing five former intelligence and national security officials.

One former CIA official said the US is "training an insurgency" in Ukraine and that the program teaches the Ukrainians how "to kill Russians," although other officials downplayed the training and said it was not meant for offensive purposes.

The training has been held at an undisclosed base in the southern United States. It was started by the Obama administration, was expanded by President Trump, and further expanded by President Biden. The program includes training in firearms, camouflage techniques, land navigation, and other areas, former officials told Yahoo.
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PUTIN SHOULD NOT HAVE INVADED UKRAINE AND YOU CANNOT CONVINCE ANYBODY OTHERWISE! 🤡
 
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