War in Ukraine

[NorthDallas40]

Reminding everyone that Crimea nor the upcoming next invasion of Ukraine by Russia would never have happened if we didn’t convince Ukraine to give up their nukes.

 

[85SugarVol]

Reminding everyone that Crimea nor the upcoming next invasion of Ukraine by Russia would never have happened if we didn’t convince Ukraine to give up their nukes.

International relations theorist John Mearsheimer predicted a Ukraine without any nuclear deterrent was likely to be subjected to aggression by Russia, but this was very much a minority view at the time.

- 1994

 

[NorthDallas40]

- 1994

I have no idea why the current state shocks anyone when you’re looking at that aggressor asshat Putin.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

How is this your constant defense of your hero worship.

Also, where were our attempts to expand our empire?

WTF are you talking about? We have military bases all over the world. Any country that doesn't dance to our tune gets put on the terrorist state list.

To compare Russia to the United States right now is laughable because we have stirred up more hell and chaos than anyone over the last 70 years.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

How is this your constant defense of your hero worship.

You can call it a "whatabout ism" if it would make it easier for you.

I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy in your outrage. You whine, b*tch and moan about "Russia Russia Russia", meanwhile, we have stood behind and supported some of the most notorious figures in the late half of the 20th Century.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Reminding everyone that Crimea nor the upcoming next invasion of Ukraine by Russia would never have happened if we didn’t convince Ukraine to give up their nukes.

When did Ukraine give up their nukes? When the Russian leaning leader was in charge over there or when the US/Western leaning leaders were in charge?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I have no idea why the current state shocks anyone when you’re looking at that aggressor asshat Putin.

Aggressor? The NATO moving into former Warsaw Pact countries and installing missiles aimed at Russia is the catalyst for Russia having to counter NATO. The US/NATO broke their word and now want to act innocent. These guys know good and damn well that they are provoking Russia and trying to back them in a corner.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Aggressor? The NATO moving into former Warsaw Pact countries and installing missiles aimed at Russia is the catalyst for Russia having to counter NATO. The US/NATO broke their word and now want to act innocent. These guys know good and damn well that they are provoking Russia and trying to back them in a corner.

I think you’ve done enough sack carrying for Putin today Ras give it a rest.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I think you’ve done enough sack carrying for Putin today Ras give it a rest.

I think you all have done enough ignoring of the The West's hand in escalating and contributing to this.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I think you all have done enough ignoring of the The West's hand in escalating and contributing to this.

Hey genius! I flat out stated we never should have talked Ukraine into giving up their nukes that stupidity set the whole stage for that asshat thug Putin to over run them! There was no need for you to answer the bat signal and defend your man crush’s honor!

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Hey genius! I flat out stated we never should have talked Ukraine into giving up their nukes that stupidity set the whole stage for that asshat thug Putin to over run them! There was no need for you to answer the bat signal and defend your man crush’s honor!

The nukes really are not the catalyst. It was NATO moving east and into former Soviet states and putting in military assets. Why are you ignoring that major detail and instead talking about Ukrainian nukes?

 

[NorthDallas40]

The nukes really are not the catalyst. It was NATO moving east and into former Soviet states and putting in military assets. Why are you ignoring that major detail and instead talking about Ukrainian nukes?

Bull ****. Pure unadulterated bull ****. If Ukraine hadn’t given up their nukes the Russian flag would not be flying over Crimea today and the eastern region wouldn’t be under Russian occupation. And it’s stupidity by you to claim otherwise.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Bull ****. Pure unadulterated bull ****. If Ukraine hadn’t given up their nukes the Russian flag would not be flying over Crimea today and the eastern region wouldn’t be under Russian occupation. And it’s stupidity by you to claim otherwise.

Crimea voted and had a referendum. Had the US State Dept not gone in there and staged a colour revolution, Ukraine wouldn't be a failed state right now.

The nukes had nothing to do with it. So you're saying that they should have lobbed nukes during that power transfer/coup in 2014? Look who is talking crazy right now...

 

[NorthDallas40]

Crimea voted and had a referendum. Had the US State Dept not gone in there and staged a colour revolution, Ukraine wouldn't be a failed state right now.

The nukes had nothing to do with it. So you're saying that they should have lobbed nukes during that power transfer/coup in 2014? Look who is talking crazy right now...

No I’m saying Putin doesn’t have the balls to move on Crimea in order to “restore order” and hold “completely just and legal elections” when he’s worried about the high temperature in Moscow on the day of the move reaches 1000C it’s common damn sense to anybody not a Putin shill.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

No I’m saying Putin doesn’t have the balls to move on Crimea in order to “restore order” and hold “completely just and legal elections” when he’s worried about the high temperature in Moscow on the day of the move reaches 1000C it’s common damn sense to anybody not a Putin shill.

Again, the transitional govt, if they would have had nukes in 2014, would have been a threat to Putin for annexing Crimea? The people in Crimea were essentially separatists, they weren't victims of an invasion. They clearly wanted to join Russia. I'm not sure why this is even debated anymore considering that there hasn't been any rumblings in Crimea since then about insurgencies or rebels wanting to rejoin Ukraine.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Again, the transitional govt, if they would have had nukes in 2014, would have been a threat to Putin for annexing Crimea? The people in Crimea were essentially separatists, they weren't victims of an invasion. They clearly wanted to join Russia. I'm not sure why this is even debated anymore considering that there hasn't been any rumblings in Crimea since then about insurgencies or rebels wanting to rejoin Ukraine.

You’re a clown. Putin stays on his leash and doesn’t over run Crimea if Ukraine keeps their nukes. Nobody but Pacer buys your bull **** on this Ras.

 

[allvol123]

WTF are you talking about? We have military bases all over the world. Any country that doesn't dance to our tune gets put on the terrorist state list.

To compare Russia to the United States right now is laughable because we have stirred up more hell and chaos than anyone over the last 70 years.

Lol. Bases? They aren’t going to install bases. They are going to have people submit to their rule. Goodness.

 

[allvol123]

You can call it a "whatabout ism" if it would make it easier for you.

I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy in your outrage. You whine, b*tch and moan about "Russia Russia Russia", meanwhile, we have stood behind and supported some of the most notorious figures in the late half of the 20th Century.

Well we aren’t supporting this one, perhaps we are turning over a new leaf.

 

[Vol423]

We’re not putting missiles in Ukraine anyways. Why should Putin have a veto right on what a sovereign country in the former eastern bloc wants to do? The Soviet empire is gone the Kremlin has no right to decide another country’s future.

The Soviet empire is about to expand again.

 

[Burhead]

Reminding everyone that Crimea nor the upcoming next invasion of Ukraine by Russia would never have happened if we didn’t convince Ukraine to give up their nukes.

I've heard the Ukrainians couldn't crack the activation codes for them and that's why they willingly gave them up. Don't know if that's true but have seen that posted before.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I've heard the Ukrainians couldn't crack the activation codes for them and that's why they willingly gave them up. Don't know if that's true but have seen that posted before.

The US would have never allowed them to keep them as they were the third largest nuclear power in the world on USSR breakup day I believe. They had the tech and mfg capacity as well as possession at that time. Had they kept just a few of them there’s no way they are in the situation they are in today. It only takes one to turn Moscow into a smoking hole. But our meddling asses would not allow that to happen and now they’re about to get over ran again as Putin gets the band back together.

 

[hog88]

NATO should be expanded.

Why?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

You’re a clown. Putin stays on his leash and doesn’t over run Crimea if Ukraine keeps their nukes. Nobody but Pacer buys your bull **** on this Ras.

You didn't answer my question earlier. Was it the Russian leaning leadership that gave up the nukes or was it the West leaning leadership?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Lol. Bases? They aren’t going to install bases. They are going to have people submit to their rule. Goodness.

You act like modern day Russia is no different than the USSR under Stalin... or Brezhnev for that matter.

You don't see people fleeing Russia or trying to anything of that nature like you saw during the Cold War era. You guys grew up hating Russia and still have that same perception of the country 30+ years after the fall of communism. It's 2022. Time to turn the page.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]