War in Ukraine

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Orangeburst said:
Why hasnt he asked for troops? Must not be doing his job.
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Where have you been? He's been asking for NATO troops or trying to create conditions for Article 5 to be triggered. When the S-300 air defense missile that the Ukrainians fired landed in Poland, Zelensky was hoping to push Article 5 being triggered.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Ukraine never had nukes, genius... just like Turkiye doesn't have nukes.
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Yup. Those were USSR weapons that came from Russia and were stationed in the Ukraine. Which is why the Ukraine is asking for nuclear weapons now. Of course, the United States nor Europe wanted the Ukraine to have them either. They had a large nuclear weapon supply that nobody wanted them to have, for obvious reasons. Of course, possession is ownership to a degree but regardless, it was just a return of what really never was theirs and an agreement was made.

Turkey doesn't have nuclear weapons but the United States stations their nuclear weapons there. Kind of crazy to think the U.S. stations nuclear weapons there but that is a whole other story.

Either way, not sure why that cat is so fixated on who owned them, that was 30 years ago.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Turkey doesn't have nuclear weapons but the United States stations their nuclear weapons there. Kind of crazy to think the U.S. stations nuclear weapons there but that is a whole other story.
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I specifically mentioned Turkiye because if these clowns are going to say Ukraine had nukes, then they are also saying that Turkiye has nukes right now.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I specifically mentioned Turkiye because if these clowns are going to say Ukraine had nukes, then they are also saying that Turkiye has nukes right now.
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I don't even understand what their point is, if they are saying countries should have their own nuclear weapons. Well, I agree... see Afganistan, Iraqi, Syria, Panama, Libya, etc.... now Iran says Hi. But nobody wanted the Ukraine to have nuclear weapons especially Europe and the United States.

All of a sudden the Ukrainians are our friends, crap all my life they told me they were my enemy. 😂

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Rasputin_Vol said:
I specifically mentioned Turkiye because if these clowns are going to say Ukraine had nukes, then they are also saying that Turkiye has nukes right now.
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Turkey has US nuclear weapons stationed at Incirlik Air Base are under US control, and stationed there as part of Turkey's NATO's nuclear sharing policy.

Ukraine was a full-fledged SSR at the time of the dissolution of the Soviet Union, and would have had as much of a claim on Soviet assets, including Soviet nuclear weapons, as any other SSR.

Which is why they had to choose to give them to Russia, rather than Russia demanding 'their' nuclear weapons be returned to them.

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You know this though, you're just being your typical disingenuous self.
 
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hog88 said:
The real winner of this war is China.
1) They are having an intelligence bonanza on two potential near peer adversaries.
2) Two of their near peer adversaries are being degraded.
3) It’s not costing them a dime.
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China has certainly been a winner. As has India directly and Taiwan, Japan, SK, Vietnam, the Philippines, Australia, and Europe indirectly.

To add to your list, China (and India) has been able to take advantage of discounted oil and gas (in the billions of dollars) and profit from various supply lines for both Russia and Ukraine.

Without having access to the counterfactual of Russia rolling Ukraine in a week, it is hard to truly know if China is the true biggest winner in a all-possible-worlds sense. If that counterfactual had happened, would US troops have been in harms way with Putin's next chess move? We will never know. If so, then the US/Europe/NATO are the biggest winners. If not, China is easily the biggest winner.

To your point, in our actualized world, China is the biggest winner. They got all of the benefits without any of the cost.

Given the way this war has played out, Russia's economy, Russia's demographics, etc. Russia will soon be at an inflection point within the next decade. After Putin, either they will atone for their sins and turn back towards Europe (and Europe can't foolishly reject if they do) or slowly fall into being a vassal state of Beijing. If the latter, China will have achieved the biggest geopolitical win of the 21st century offsetting their biggest geopolitical vulnerabilities.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
I don't think you even know what you are saying. What "intelligence bonanza" and what does it do for the World to function? Russia isn't going to invade the United States, the stuff the United States can't defend against in case of a nuclear war, they still can't.

There isn't anything going on that really helps here, the only thing it helps is your inflation rate going threw the roof plus the neocons and Bidens to get some more Big Guy kickbacks.


If that were the case, the Ukrainians would have been in Moscow by now, meaning all this stupid media **** has been wrong for years. I don't see any degrade, looks like the war machine is just getting started.

If Russia has been degraded just send the French in. Remember how the 1st round of sanctions and Russia was going to collapse. None of that has had any real impact, and possibly helped them. War economy.

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Eventually, it could..... meaning.... friends have yet to figure out they aren't friends. F Europe. Europeans are stupid. The U.S. doesn't lose anything until Europe is more seriously impacted. Its all about the Federal Reserve system.

There is nothing of real value being gained other than ****ing the Ukraine/Europe over. That's about it.



I don't know what you mean by win, its just people getting liquidated. The United States has ****ed over the Ukraine and Europe. If that is your point, I agree. Other than that nothing of value as far as the world has been achieved other than don't trust the United States. I haven't seen anything of value for me as an American other than going to get food will probably continue to go up at a large rate.

Not sure what your points are to be honest, its very strange. Its like you're having a conversation with yourself but responding to me.

At the end of the day.... the Ukraine will continue to be destroyed, more Ukrainians will get liquidated for no real reason. Nothing of real value is gained other than degrading of Europe.

I'm sure by the 30th round of sanctions Russia will collapse. To the last Ukrainian.

What you have been talking about on this board is compete nonsense. A bunch of people are getting liquidated and having limbs removed and later everyone will say how avoidable this was.... duhh.

The United States was playing 3D chess with a bunch of goat herders, so F'n what.
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Too much delusion in one post to parse out all of it individually. Just a few points to consider:

1) Inflation was function of moronic COVID policy; not funding Ukraine.

2) Wars that happen outside of the US and Russian borders involve conventional arms. The intelligence bonanza is over conventional arms, strategies, and weaknesses. Nuclear war platforms is irrelevant.

3) Europe is like a battered and traumatized dog scared of its own shadow. After WWI + WWII + the countless other large wars fought on their own soil, they were extremely weary of another armed conflict and hilariously contorted themselves to avoid any threat of another one. Putin wisely used this dynamic to his gain for decades. A quick, decisive war in Ukraine would gone relatively unpunished due to this dynamic. The Russian persistence in this quagmire ruined that dynamic moving forward.

4) It is interesting that you can clearly see how Ukraine is getting pummeled and liquidated as a defensive force but can't seem to acknowledge the insane level of squandering attrition of an offensive force, away from home, in the same quagmire is experiencing.
 
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hog88 said:
What if anything we are gaining is minuscule in comparison.
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From an information standpoint, if Russia's failure in Ukraine with railways for logistics made Beijing completely rethink an invasion of Taiwan with largely Soviet derivative technology and strategy, then China would also be the biggest winner from an information standpoint as well. They also got to watch the geopolitical response of an invasion over a relatively benign geopolitical country. Taiwan is a much more geopolitical country due to their semiconductors. Might have saved them from a catastrophe.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
This is the problem. The conversation shouldn't be about geopolitics. It needs to be about focusing on America.
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America's biggest weakness is our domestic fiscal policy, breakdown of the nuclear family structure, and trending towards a low-trust society.

Our adversaries know those are our weaknesses and that's why they pour an exorbitant amount of resources to exacerbate those problems in asymmetric warfare.

Winning or losing in geopolitics doesn't change our problems at home. Thus, we might as well win at geopolitics if we can't win domestically.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Yup. Those were USSR weapons that came from Russia and were stationed in the Ukraine. Which is why the Ukraine is asking for nuclear weapons now. Of course, the United States nor Europe wanted the Ukraine to have them either. They had a large nuclear weapon supply that nobody wanted them to have, for obvious reasons. Of course, possession is ownership to a degree but regardless, it was just a return of what really never was theirs and an agreement was made.

Turkey doesn't have nuclear weapons but the United States stations their nuclear weapons there. Kind of crazy to think the U.S. stations nuclear weapons there but that is a whole other story.

Either way, not sure why that cat is so fixated on who owned them, that was 30 years ago.
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That is line so perfectly encapsulates why former USSR states hate the Russians so much and why they choose NATO.

If Russia and their sympathizers (you) had an inclusive attitude towards other USSR states, the world would look very different and very much in Moscow's favor.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
That is line so perfectly encapsulates why former USSR states hate the Russians so much and why they choose NATO.

If Russia and their sympathizers (you) had an inclusive attitude towards other USSR states, the world would look very different and very much in Moscow's favor.
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I think your wasted posts encapsulates why you sound like Hillary Clinton. Evil neocons and their sympathizers (you) had an excluded attitude towards the world and treats them as expendable, the world looks at it much different than you do from your single wide.

(with that I just put you on ignore, your posts sound like it was created by chatgpt in the output of Hillary Clinton. Evil or insane, I'm not sure what the difference is in your case. Most of my posts sympathize with the people of the world at the other end of the stick is the United states... reading would help.)

Hillary, I do hope your meat grinding of the Ukraine's population and dismemberment program goes well.

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PKT_VOL said:
China has certainly been a winner. As has India directly and Taiwan, Japan, SK, Vietnam, the Philippines, Australia, and Europe indirectly.

To add to your list, China (and India) has been able to take advantage of discounted oil and gas (in the billions of dollars) and profit from various supply lines for both Russia and Ukraine.

Without having access to the counterfactual of Russia rolling Ukraine in a week, it is hard to truly know if China is the true biggest winner in a all-possible-worlds sense. If that counterfactual had happened, would US troops have been in harms way with Putin's next chess move? We will never know. If so, then the US/Europe/NATO are the biggest winners. If not, China is easily the biggest winner.

To your point, in our actualized world, China is the biggest winner. They got all of the benefits without any of the cost.

Given the way this war has played out, Russia's economy, Russia's demographics, etc. Russia will soon be at an inflection point within the next decade. After Putin, either they will atone for their sins and turn back towards Europe (and Europe can't foolishly reject if they do) or slowly fall into being a vassal state of Beijing. If the latter, China will have achieved the biggest geopolitical win of the 21st century offsetting their biggest geopolitical vulnerabilities.
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My gawd, you guys are not only delusional, but don't even know how to read the chessboard right now.

Just one example... in your fantasy scenario, do you think India is going to stand by and watch China turn Russia into a puppet state?

Everything else you guys are saying is just nonsense. No way Europe is winning. No way Japan is winning. Hell, you can't even say right now that Israel is winning.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
My gawd, you guys are not only delusional, but don't even know hit to read the chessboard right now.

Just one example... in your fantasy scenario, do you think India is going to stand by and watch China turn Russia into a puppet state?

Everything else you guys are saying is just nonsense. No way Europe is winning. No way Japan is winning. Hell, you can't even say right now that Israel is winning.
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Bro, you don't understand, the United States was playing 4D chess with goat herders in Afghanistan for 20 years.... its all part of the master plan. (I gave up on that loony)
 
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PKT_VOL said:
From an information standpoint, if Russia's failure in Ukraine with railways for logistics made Beijing completely rethink an invasion of Taiwan with largely Soviet derivative technology and strategy, then China would also be the biggest winner from an information standpoint as well.
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OK, can you clarify this, because I'm not following this. Your talking about railroads and China/Taiwan. Flush that out further or clean it up so it is clear to understand.

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They also got to watch the geopolitical response of an invasion over a relatively benign geopolitical country.
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A relatively benign country for 99% of the planet except for Russia. They share cultural ties and NATO has been openly trying to use Ukraine as a proxy since the OSS/CIA were supporting Stepan Bandera in the mid-1940s.

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Taiwan is a much more geopolitical country due to their semiconductors. Might have saved them from a catastrophe.
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The semiconductor nonsense is already past its shelf life. The Chinese are making their own chips/semiconductors. And don't think that there have not Taiwanese going to the Mainland to assist in their development.
 
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BeardedVol said:
You know the president of the Will Wade fan club still reading everyone's posts and just seething in silence.
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Oh I do t think so in this case. Ras does that for sure his ego forces that. This LSU kid just isn’t mentally equipped to deal with input conflicting with his self proclaimed brilliance 😂
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The semiconductor nonsense is already past its shelf life. The Chinese are making their own chips/semiconductors. And don't think that there have not Taiwanese going to the Mainland to assist in their development.
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China should do what Russia did after the 15th round of sanctions and Putin died for 5th time of cancer, they took all the computer chips out of washing machines to put in their new advanced shovels.

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LSU-SIU said:
China should do what Russia did after the 15th round of sanctions and Putin died for 5th time of cancer, they took all the computer chips out of washing machines to put in their new advanced shovels.

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These people think we are still living in 1989 when China and Russia were on their knees and the US was emerging as the leading economy and super power. They act as though the Chinese and Russians don't have an engineering and industrial advantage over the US in 2024.
 
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