War in Ukraine

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BeardedVol said:
Soviet pilots flew MiGs in Korea and Soviet soldiers manned SAM sites in Vietnam and both shot down US pilots.

Giving Ukraine weapons, isn't even on the same continent as as having Soviet soldiers actually participate in the killing of US pilots.
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You do understand that America is providing the coordinates to the targets. Ukraine doesn't haveThe capabilities. So America may not be putting troops on the ground (yet) but they are heavily involved
 
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KB5252 said:
It was never a mystery, we've known about this since Vietnam.

What would Russians response be? Maybe the same as ours as they've signaled bombing runs into our bases in Alaska before pulling off at the last minute.

Or selling arms to Iran and others that have been fired at our troops and allies. The response will likely be the same. If Russia is do worried about it they could always retreat back to their borders and insist Ukraine do the same.
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That would be good for themTo retreat, maybe that'll happen
 
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dalton_vol said:
You do understand that America is providing the coordinates to the targets. Ukraine doesn't haveThe capabilities. So America may not be putting troops on the ground (yet) but they are heavily involved
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Lol, so providing intel to Ukraine = Russian soldiers piloting planes or operating SAM batteries that killed US servicemen?

It's really bizarre that you are trying this hard to draw a false equivalence to justify (non-existent) Russian retaliation.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
I don't know what that means. Russia can give and train enemies of U.S. (which are everywhere now), those weapons there really isn't much of a defense for. This can be anything from ICBMs to anti-ship missiles and technology. These weapons can hit the U.S. from say the middle east. The biggest issue is the U.S. won't know if its carrying a nuclear payload.
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That's my point, they've sold instruments and weapons of war to our enemies in the past, and still do. Those weapons have been used to kill and harm Americans.
 
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KB5252 said:
Absolutely, both sides return to prewar borders.
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"pre war" as in pre-2022 escalation borders?

That would be Russia still occupying parts of Ukraine, and I doubt Ukraine would be content to allow Russia to sit on their lands, keeping them from joining NATO, and rearming for an attack in the future.
 
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BeardedVol said:
"pre war" as in pre-2022 escalation borders?

That would be Russia still occupying parts of Ukraine, and I doubt Ukraine would be content to allow Russia to sit on their lands, keeping them from joining NATO, and rearming for an attack in the future.
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Ukraine before conflict and Russia before conflict. Seems like it started before that but 2022 may be correct
 
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KB5252 said:
Ukraine before conflict and Russia before conflict. Seems like it started before that but 2022 may be correct
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Given what Russia did to Chechnya after the first Chechen war ended in a "peace" agreement, and the fact that Russia didn't adhere to either Minsk agreement, I doubt Ukraine is going to trust Putin for that scenario even be entertained.

Especially since Russia continuing to occupy part of Ukraine keeps them from joining NATO, which is the only way they gain any long term protection from Russian imperial ambitions.
 
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Ya know, all those trillions of dollars we’ve spent over the last 75 years on ICBMs and bomber fleets, etc. I’m beginning to think all we needed to do to **** with Russia was hire a bunch of Ukrainians.

@hog88 should love my comment...
 
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MontyPython said:
Ya know, all those trillions of dollars we’ve spent over the last 75 years on ICBMs and bomber fleets, etc. I’m beginning to think all we needed to do to **** with Russia was hire a bunch of Ukrainians.

@hog88 should love my comment...
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Looks like relatively cheap drone swarms can absolutely f things up. It's weird how these things go.
 
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just bob said:
Looks like relatively cheap drone swarms can absolutely f things up. It's weird how these things go.
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The drone technology will be something to see the future, it's just a matter of time until somebody tries to kill someone with a drone. Or try to assassinate some gov official
 
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just bob said:
Or someone running for Pres. They're desperately trying to kill him.
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This is a serious problem. There are now *wired* drones (similar to the wire used for Bradley TOW missiles) that cannot be taken down with EW. I really don't know how they can be stopped other than simply avoiding outdoor political speeches, etc.
 
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evillawyer said:
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Yeah, this is a pretty significant development. Seems Ivan is having a tough time intercepting the new UKR jet drones when they (presumedly) arrive in large groups, and UKR is obviously really ramping up production quickly. Odds are the Pentagon has been watching the distribution of the N. Korean and now Iranian missiles/arms, as well, and is feeding UKR prime intel. It's amazing, though, that the big dump hit a couple days back was purported to be 'nuclear bomb proof' yet homemade conventional HE drones blew the Pajeezus out of it... Russian corruption and BS technology claims combined are truly remarkable.

If only @Rasputin_Vol were here to set the record straight. ;-)
 
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