War in Ukraine

[Rocky_Top_Vol13]

 

[LSU-SIU]

That's my point, they've sold instruments and weapons of war to our enemies in the past, and still do. Those weapons have been used to kill and harm Americans.

That's not Russia's point at all though. The U.S. has sold arms to their enemies. Its all fair, in this case Russia is warning the payback might not be what a typical American or European thinks as the weapons can hit home or ships. This just wasn't the case with those other situations and other arms. In this case what Russia is saying is nobody can tell the payload that would be delivered to the U.S./Europe which could be a nuclear first strike from the middle east, let alone strikes on nuclear carrier groups. What Russia is saying is pretty clear, we're going to let our enemies strike the U.S. (payback), and you won't know if its nuclear until it hits.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

Can't believe they couldn't get Dick Cheney there, too.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

 

[volfanhill]

That's not Russia's point at all though. The U.S. has sold arms to their enemies. Its all fair, in this case Russia is warning the payback might not be what a typical American or European thinks as the weapons can hit home or ships. This just wasn't the case with those other situations and other arms. In this case what Russia is saying is nobody can tell the payload that would be delivered to the U.S./Europe which could be a nuclear first strike from the middle east, let alone strikes on nuclear carrier groups. What Russia is saying is pretty clear, we're going to let our enemies strike the U.S. (payback), and you won't know if its nuclear until it hits.

Great way to have Moscow removed from the map. Its more stupid bluster by the Russians. Its about all they got

 

[volfanhill]

Can't believe they couldn't get Dick Cheney there, too.

Undermining the political process? GTFO. Why do these dolts, on both sides, have to over sensationalize crap?

 

[KB5252]

That's not Russia's point at all though. The U.S. has sold arms to their enemies. Its all fair, in this case Russia is warning the payback might not be what a typical American or European thinks as the weapons can hit home or ships. This just wasn't the case with those other situations and other arms. In this case what Russia is saying is nobody can tell the payload that would be delivered to the U.S./Europe which could be a nuclear first strike from the middle east, let alone strikes on nuclear carrier groups. What Russia is saying is pretty clear, we're going to let our enemies strike the U.S. (payback), and you won't know if its nuclear until it hits.

That's not Russia's point at all though. The U.S. has sold arms to their enemies. Its all fair, in this case Russia is warning the payback might not be what a typical American or European thinks as the weapons can hit home or ships. This just wasn't the case with those other situations and other arms. In this case what Russia is saying is nobody can tell the payload that would be delivered to the U.S./Europe which could be a nuclear first strike from the middle east, let alone strikes on nuclear carrier groups. What Russia is saying is pretty clear, we're going to let our enemies strike the U.S. (payback), and you won't know if its nuclear until it hits.

Mig jets can certainly carry nuclear payloads and those are being used by our enemies. Is a bullshat response and escalation.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Mig jets can certainly carry nuclear payloads and those are being used by our enemies. Is a bullshat response and escalation.

Jez dude think. This isn't ****ing hard.

No, nobody in Afganistan is going to fly to the United States with a mig i.e. range, also migs can be defended against and a mig isn't going to be used as a first strike nuclear delivery platform. What they are talking about missiles ICBMs and anti-ship technology which can take out nuclear carriers and missiles that can hit the U.S. from the middle east.

What they are talking about are ICBMs which nobody knows what the payload is until arrives which makes all the nuclear detection systems irrelevant, which is what Russia would have to deal with. Its not an escalation, its the same thing. So, you have ICBMs coming in from the Middle East and you have 15 minutes, what do you do? Pray they're not nuclear? The other concern is anti-ship technology, those large ships are sitting ducks. The bigger issue is, there is no way to stop it or even do anything about it after the fact, not really. On top of that, it could easily lead to thermal nuclear war.

What they are saying is no, they haven't been delivering the same weapons to U.S.'s enemy as to what is being proposed with the U.S. weapons to the Ukraine i.e. long-range missiles. They certainly haven't been fired them on the U.S.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Russian central bank hikes rates to fight inflation fuelled by military spending

Russia’s central bank has raised its key interest rate by a full percentage point to 19% to combat high inflation as government spending on the military strains the economy’s capacity to produce goods and services and drives up workers’ wages

abcnews.go.com

MOSCOW -- Russia's central bank hiked interest rates to their highest since the Kremlin sent troops into Ukraine more than 2 1/2 years ago, a step aimed at combatting the inflation fuelled by massive government outlays for the military — and by robust spending from Russian consumers in shops.

 

[LouderVol]

Jez dude think. This isn't ****ing hard.

No, nobody in Afganistan is going to fly to the United States with a mig i.e. range, also migs can be defended against and a mig isn't going to be used as a first strike nuclear delivery platform. What they are talking about missiles ICBMs and anti-ship technology which can take out nuclear carriers and missiles that can hit the U.S. from the middle east.

What they are talking about are ICBMs which nobody knows what the payload is until arrives which makes all the nuclear detection systems irrelevant, which is what Russia would have to deal with. Its not an escalation, its the same thing. So, you have ICBMs coming in from the Middle East and you have 15 minutes, what do you do? Pray they're not nuclear? The other concern is anti-ship technology, those large ships are sitting ducks. The bigger issue is, there is no way to stop it or even do anything about it after the fact, not really. On top of that, it could easily lead to thermal nuclear war.

What they are saying is no, they haven't been delivering the same weapons to U.S.'s enemy as to what is being proposed with the U.S. weapons to the Ukraine i.e. long-range missiles. They certainly haven't been fired them on the U.S.

Nothing the US has given Ukraine has been an ICBM or even a nuclear platform, so your & Russia's argument is false to begin with. the US doesn't even really have any "medium" range ICBMS that would be the equivalent of the Russian threats, the ATACMs is the longest range stuff we have. and I don't think we are even considering giving them the longest ranged versions.

SCUDs have been around for a while, and delivered to plenty of enemies of the US, including many of those in the middle east. that is a nuclear capable weapon. 700km isn't much shorter than what Ukraine has from the US.

the entire NK missile program is essentially the licensed NK knock off of the licensed Chinese knock off of Russian missiles.

Iran has had ship killing & long range missiles for a while. those started out as licensed Russian knock offs.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Great way to have Moscow removed from the map. Its more stupid bluster by the Russians. Its about all they got

Its not bluster, its the same thing the U.S. would be doing if allowed it allows long-range missiles launched into Russia. There is no difference. Its a great way to have the whole world removed from the map which is what they are saying.... but nobody cares apparently.

There isn't anything complex about this.

 

[BeardedVol]

Its not bluster, its the same thing the U.S. would be doing if allowed it allows long-range missiles launched into Russia. There is no difference. Its a great way to have the whole world removed from the map which is what they are saying.... but nobody cares apparently.

There isn't anything complex about this.

Translation:

"I get more afraid every time Russia makes an empty nuclear threat, and it makes me sad that you aren't susceptible to Russian nonsense like I am."

 

[KB5252]

Jez dude think. This isn't ****ing hard.

No, nobody in Afganistan is going to fly to the United States with a mig i.e. range, also migs can be defended against and a mig isn't going to be used as a first strike nuclear delivery platform. What they are talking about missiles ICBMs and anti-ship technology which can take out nuclear carriers and missiles that can hit the U.S. from the middle east.

What they are talking about are ICBMs which nobody knows what the payload is until arrives which makes all the nuclear detection systems irrelevant, which is what Russia would have to deal with. Its not an escalation, its the same thing. So, you have ICBMs coming in from the Middle East and you have 15 minutes, what do you do? Pray they're not nuclear? The other concern is anti-ship technology, those large ships are sitting ducks. The bigger issue is, there is no way to stop it or even do anything about it after the fact, not really. On top of that, it could easily lead to thermal nuclear war.

What they are saying is no, they haven't been delivering the same weapons to U.S.'s enemy as to what is being proposed with the U.S. weapons to the Ukraine i.e. long-range missiles. They certainly haven't been fired them on the U.S.

So they are talking about escalating, we aren't selling Ukraine ICBM's

How do you think Iran got the technology for their long range missiles? LOL, they are Russian knock offs.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

Undermining the political process? GTFO. Why do these dolts, on both sides, have to over sensationalize crap?

Not sure. That's a terrible look signing bombs heading to Russia.

 

[FortSanders]

It is foolish for Zelensky to take sides in US Presidential politics. If Trump wins, he will remember this. Trump demand absolute fealty. It is one of his weaknesses. By the way, Trump was impeached for just this type of behavior.

The trip to Scranton is another matter. Casey and Cartwright, both Democrats, are active candidates for federal office. Pennsylvania is the most crucial swing state in the presidential election; Shapiro is a Democrat who spoke at the party’s national convention and was widely mentioned as a potential Harris running mate. The symbolism of Scranton being Joe Biden’s birthplace is lost on nobody. Zelensky didn’t really help matters by giving an interview to Joshua Yaffa of the New Yorker, just before departing for this trip, in which he took potshots at J. D. Vance.

Democrats’ Perfect Phone Call to Zelensky | National Review

For Democrats to bring the Ukrainian president to Pennsylvania, a crucial swing state, six weeks before Election Day is not such a great look.

www.nationalreview.com

 

[KB5252]

Not sure. That's a terrible look signing bombs heading to Russia.

Agreed

 

[LSU-SIU]

So they are talking about escalating, we aren't selling Ukraine ICBM's

How do you think Iran got the technology for their long range missiles? LOL, they are Russian knock offs.

You are selling/giving long-range missiles which can hit Moscow to their enemy, just because you live on the other side of the pond doesn't mean anything to them... they are going to give American enemies the ability to hit DC and anti-ship technology. Seems the same to me. No, their mobile ICBMs are not the same as Iranian missiles.

All's fair as someone pointed out here... proxy wars and all. Not sure what the problem is. Not to dissimilar than the Cuban Missile Crisis, not really. The difference to me is the third party can't really be held responsible i.e. nomad middle east.

Ole well.

 

[KB5252]

You are selling/giving long-range missiles which can hit Moscow to their enemy, just because you live on the other side of the pond doesn't mean anything to them... they are going to give American enemies the ability to hit DC and anti-ship technology. Seems the same to me. No, their mobile ICBMs are not the same as Iranian missiles.

All's fair as someone pointed out here... proxy wars and all. Not sure what the problem is. Not to dissimilar than the Cuban Missile Crisis, not really. The difference to me is the third party can't really be held responsible i.e. nomad middle east.

Ole well.

The missiles we are supplying to Ukraine are similar to the missiles Russia sold tech to and likely even the missiles themselves to Iran, North Korea and countless others. You are the one who brought up ICBM's.

We are selling Ukraine what Russia is using against them. Nothing more. Russia is escalating. They can return to their borders at any time and this all ends.

 

[hog88]

The missiles we are selling Ukraine are similar to the missiles Russia sold tech to and likely even the missiles themselves to Iran, North Korea and countless others. You are the one who brought up ICBM's.

We are selling Ukraine what Russia is using against them. Nothing more. Russia is escalating. They can return to their borders at any time and this all ends.

Selling?

 

[KB5252]

Selling?

Yep....... You're right giving.

 

[LouderVol]

You are selling/giving long-range missiles which can hit Moscow to their enemy, just because you live on the other side of the pond doesn't mean anything to them... they are going to give American enemies the ability to hit DC and anti-ship technology. Seems the same to me. No, their mobile ICBMs are not the same as Iranian missiles.

All's fair as someone pointed out here... proxy wars and all. Not sure what the problem is. Not to dissimilar than the Cuban Missile Crisis, not really. The difference to me is the third party can't really be held responsible i.e. nomad middle east.

Ole well.

Ukraine isn't launching missiles from 6000 miles away, crossing multiple international borders, or theoretically third party "space" space.

this is more of Russia just complaining because they thought it was going to stay a one sided fight the whole time, never was able to finish the fight, and are now complaining that its a more equal fight and its unfair they have a bloody nose while Ukraine is missing teeth, shattered nose, black eye and so forth.

 

[LSU-SIU]

The missiles we are supplying to Ukraine are similar to the missiles Russia sold tech to and likely even the missiles themselves to Iran, North Korea and countless others. You are the one who brought up ICBM's.

We are selling Ukraine what Russia is using against them. Nothing more. Russia is escalating. They can return to their borders at any time and this all ends.

They are long-range missiles which can hit deep within Russian borders, Russia has said they can't tell what is onboard and also the Ukraine is targeting first strike radar systems. They are going to provide the same ability to U.S. enemies i.e. the ability to hit the United States and Europe. You can cry all you want but its not going to change anything. Seems very logical to give long-range missiles to U.S. enemies and anti-ship technology.

We are selling Ukraine what Russia is using against them. Nothing more. Russia is escalating. They can return to their borders at any time and this all ends.

The choice has already been made by the U.S., the U.S. has choices as well. Crying about it isn't going to change anything. They don't have to have your approval, just like the U.S. doesn't need their approval to give weapons to the Ukraine. Not sure what the problem is nor am I sure what you are going to do about it, other than logic has been thrown out the window. I mean, I would have never thought U.S. foreign policy could get much worse than the last 30+ years but they always find a way.

Although, Russia has voiced their take that much of this is/was caused by the U.S., whether one agrees or not, their specific issue with long-range missiles and targeting radar for the purpose of avoiding WWIII seems on point, imo. But even if it were not on point, not much anyone is going to do about it.

 

[BeardedVol]

Why?

They are long-range missiles which can hit deep within Russian borders, Russia has said they can't tell what is onboard and also the Ukraine is targeting first strike radar systems. They are going to provide the same ability to U.S. enemies i.e. the ability to hit the United States and Europe. You can cry all you want but its not going to change anything. Seems very logical to give long-range missiles to U.S. enemies and anti-ship technology.



The choice has already been made by the U.S., the U.S. has choices as well. Crying about it isn't going to change anything. They don't have to have your approval, just like the U.S. doesn't need their approval to give weapons to the Ukraine. Not sure what the problem is nor am I sure what you are going to do about it, other than logic has been thrown out the window. I mean, I would have never thought U.S. foreign policy could get much worse than the last 30+ years but they always find a way.

 

[Rocky_Top_Vol13]

 

[KB5252]

They are long-range missiles which can hit deep within Russian borders, Russia has said they can't tell what is onboard and also the Ukraine is targeting first strike radar systems. They are going to provide the same ability to U.S. enemies i.e. the ability to hit the United States and Europe. You can cry all you want but its not going to change anything. Seems very logical to give long-range missiles to U.S. enemies and anti-ship technology.



The choice has already been made by the U.S., the U.S. has choices as well. Crying about it isn't going to change anything. They don't have to have your approval, just like the U.S. doesn't need their approval to give weapons to the Ukraine. Not sure what the problem is nor am I sure what you are going to do about it, other than logic has been thrown out the window. I mean, I would have never thought U.S. foreign policy could get much worse than the last 30+ years but they always find a way.

Although, Russia has voiced their take that much of this is/was caused by the U.S., whether one agrees or not, their specific issue with long-range missiles and targeting radar for the purpose of avoiding WWIII seems on point, imo. But even if it were not on point, not much anyone is going to do about it.

I'm not crying, Russia is. They started a war...... And they got it.