War in Ukraine

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Russia Says Ukraine Fired US Long-range Missiles At Border Region

Russia's military said Tuesday that Ukraine fired US-supplied long-range missiles at a military facility in the Bryansk border region, in what would be the first attack since Washington authorised the use of its weapons.
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It is being said on social media Ukraine cannot launch these long range missiles themselves for they must be launched by NATO or the US, requires NATO-US to select/locate target and use satellites for guidence
 
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jmacvols1 said:


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Russia Says Ukraine Fired US Long-range Missiles At Border Region

Russia's military said Tuesday that Ukraine fired US-supplied long-range missiles at a military facility in the Bryansk border region, in what would be the first attack since Washington authorised the use of its weapons.
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It is being said on social media Ukraine cannot launch these long range missiles themselves for they must be launched by NATO or the US and use satellites for guidence
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that is just straight BS. its the same HIMARS platform. what people are too dumb to understand is that Ukraine has been using the ATACMS missiles for a while. these are just longer ranged versions of those same missiles. Ukraine is fully capable of launching them themselves. NATO having to do it for them is just pure Russian copium.

and the only "satellite" guidance they need is GPS. they don't need access to our military satellites to guide them. but they also have inertia guidance, which has less accuracy, but its still perfectly capable of being used with GPS.
 
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LouderVol said:
that is just straight BS. its the same HIMARS platform. what people are too dumb to understand is that Ukraine has been using the ATACMS missiles for a while. these are just longer ranged versions of those same missiles. Ukraine is fully capable of launching them themselves. NATO having to do it for them is just pure Russian copium.

and the only "satellite" guidance they need is GPS. they don't need access to our military satellites to guide them. but they also have inertia guidance, which has less accuracy, but its still perfectly capable of being used with GPS.
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So NATO isn't launching them or are they and if they are does that mean NATO and by proxy the US have declared war on Russia?
 
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whodeycin85 said:
So NATO isn't launching them or are they and if they are does that mean NATO and by proxy the US have declared war on Russia?
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Ukraine has had HIMARS for well on 2 years at this point.

They are fully trained and capable of using the weapon system to fire ATACMS without "NATO".
 
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BeardedVol said:
Ukraine has had HIMARS for well on 2 years at this point.

They are fully trained and capable of using the weapon system to fire ATACMS without "NATO".
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I understand that, but is it confirmed that NATO is indeed not firing them....that's is a distinct difference IMO...
 
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whodeycin85 said:
I understand that, but is it confirmed that NATO is indeed not firing them....that's is a distinct difference IMO...
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Why, would "NATO" put boots on the ground in Ukraine, to operate a weapons platform, that Ukrainians have been using for 2 years, and are fully capable of using themselves?

I mean, if we're asking, are we really sure that extraterrestrials are not firing ATACMS on Ukraine's behalf?
 
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BeardedVol said:
Why, would "NATO" put boots on the ground in Ukraine, to operate a weapons platform, that Ukrainians have been using for 2 years, and are fully capable of using themselves?

I mean, if we're asking, are we really sure that extraterrestrials are not firing ATACMS on Ukraine's behalf?
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I'm simply asking if the claim is verified..if your unable to do that then cool....I agree it doesn't make sense, but I don't believe most of us know fully what is going on over there 100% and are making assumptions based on our biased knowledge.
 
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jmacvols1 said:


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Russia Says Ukraine Fired US Long-range Missiles At Border Region

Russia's military said Tuesday that Ukraine fired US-supplied long-range missiles at a military facility in the Bryansk border region, in what would be the first attack since Washington authorised the use of its weapons.
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It is being said on social media Ukraine cannot launch these long range missiles themselves for they must be launched by NATO or the US, requires NATO-US to select/locate target and use satellites for guidence
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They use GPS guidance which is satellite however they don’t require any assistance. Anybody can use the satellite signal. Social media is wrong.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
No, it just makes the world a much dangerous place if true and carried out. Meaning Russia has ever ability to give weapons that can reach D.C. to U.S. enemies with little to no recourse from the middle east.

Symbolical the U.S. declared war in the 40s, it hasn't stopped and it never stopped in the 90s like they pretended.
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By either party, let's not pretend this is one sided.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
The nutjobs believe you are either with them or against them. Hell, I'm at the point of telling NATO countries.... you figure it out. They have been locking people up for obvious free/politcial speech and now are basically either lockup up political opponents or banning platforms/parties.

The comedian and Biden should be giving Americans their money back.

P.S. do yourself a favor and put that particular nutjob on your ignore list. Just saying.
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Interesting you refer to him in the same way the hard-line war mongering Russians do.

I would think if you were truly not supportive of the Russian war mongers in the same way you oppose US war mongers you wouldn't be using their insults and put downs.

The proof is always in the minutiae.
 
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This looks like where this latest Russia propaganda is coming from. As usual Putin is lying and FOS.

Ukraine fires first barrage of US-made long-range missiles into Russia, Kremlin says

Ukraine fires first barrage of US-made long-range missiles into Russia, Kremlin says

"Flight assignments for these missile systems can, in fact, only be entered by military personnel from NATO countries. Ukrainian servicemen cannot do this. And therefore, it is not a question of allowing the Ukrainian regime to strike Russia with these weapons or not. It is a question of making a decision whether NATO countries directly participate in the military conflict or not," Putin said in September.

"If this decision is made, it will mean nothing less than the direct participation of NATO countries, the United States, and European countries, in the war in Ukraine," he added.
 
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KB5252 said:
By either party, let's not pretend this is one sided.
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Russia was all on board after the USSR collapse, the pretend was all the agreements made in the 90s were BS. Russia has been complaining about this since the early-mid 90s.... let's stop rewriting history here its in the Congressional Record. The U.S. military told Congress and the U.S. government to stop the B.S. or there would eventually be the issues we have today. They weren't making it up and this was before Putin was even a thing.

What I am saying was presented to Congress, I didn't make it up.... it was broadcasted on CSPAN, which I watched live. Yes, at this point you're going to tell me Georgia has it coming too. Look, if you want to be EVIL or support EVIL.... not much I can do about it. This is all the neocons and has been since the USSR collapsed. The still have few idiots left that still believe the lies. My whole life as a kid they were trying to convince me, it was all a freaking lie. Now, I am an adult.... and you want to convince me of the lies they told me as a kid all over again.

Its up to you to let go of the lies or promote them, but they are lies.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
I didn't fall for anything I was seeking verification..thanks for the follow-up post..
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Think about it this way. In order to hit anything ATACMS has to be given a coordinate. There is no magic for a coordinate in Ukraine vs Russia that suddenly requires a different person to enter the coordinate. All that is required is the coordinate. In this day and age for these building sized targets you can get that from Google earth. Buildings don’t move and they’re large so that’s easy. So as usual Putin is lying. Again.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Russia was all on board after the USSR collapse, the pretend was all the agreements made in the 90s were BS. Russia has been complaining about this since the early-mid 90s.... let's stop rewriting history here its in the Congressional Record. The U.S. military told Congress and the U.S. government to stop the B.S. or there would eventually be the issues we have today. They weren't making it up and this was before Putin was even a thing.

What I am saying was presented to Congress, I didn't make it up.... it was broadcast on CSPAN.
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You really do struggle with established history.
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Putin Says He Discussed Russia's Possible NATO Membership With Bill Clinton

Russian President Vladimir Putin has claimed that he once raised the possibility of Russia joining NATO with then-President Bill Clinton, and that Clinton said he had "no objection."
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whodeycin85 said:
So NATO isn't launching them or are they and if they are does that mean NATO and by proxy the US have declared war on Russia?
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I don't think NATO has ever had anything to do with firing the missiles at Russia. they supplied the missiles, and trained Ukraine. but Ukraine is the only one firing the missiles.
 
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KB5252 said:
Interesting you refer to him in the same way the hard-line war mongering Russians do.

I would think if you were truly not supportive of the Russian war mongers in the same way you oppose US war mongers you wouldn't be using their insults and put downs.

The proof is always in the minutiae.
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Its interesting that you promote evil in a similar way as satan would. You are complaining about insults with insults the irony.

All you appear to be doing is promoting lies which has already been exposed over 25 years ago to the American public by the U.S. government. There isn't much I can do about you being evil or promoting lies, other than point them out. Its no different than the people claiming a face diaper is going to stop a virus, its actually worse because you've had your whole life to figure out the lie.

He's a complete nutjob, 4D chess players acting like they have a plan to win a thermonuclear war.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Its interesting that you promote evil in a similar way as satan would. You are complaining about insults with insults the irony.

All you appear to be doing is promoting lies which has already been exposed over 25 years ago to the American public by the U.S. government. There isn't much I can do about you being evil or promoting lies, other than point them out. Its no different than the people claiming a face diaper is going to stop a virus, its actually worse because you've had your whole life to figure out the lie.
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LMAO 😂🤡
 
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LouderVol said:
I don't think NATO has ever had anything to do with firing the missiles at Russia. they supplied the missiles, and trained Ukraine. but Ukraine is the only one firing the missiles.
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Correct, NATO just supplied the missiles, taught them how to use them, provided them targeting data and approved their use but NATO didn't actually push the button.
 
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As been said Ukraine can fire them, but I’ll bet someone in the west has told how they will be used or Ukraine has a specific list of targets.
 
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