War in Ukraine

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TN Ribs said:
Trump is weak and feckless. Blaming Ukraine, thereby absolving Russia, for starting the war is shameful.
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The war was going on for a few decades before Russia invaded, the invasion was the result of the war. My guess is lots of people need to die, and maybe some Europeans as well.

Trump is weak and feckless.
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Yet, both of the invasions took place under Obama and Biden. This is the result of you failing to keep your government in check. Seems we spend all day forgetting or rewriting history. None of this would have happened under Trump because there was no reason to be at war with them. 🤷‍♂️



"You don't just call timeout...." - Point Break


Now let's get back to meat grinding. It would seem like the only thing that the U.S. is better at than getting our own soldiers blown up for nothing, is getting "friends" to get their own soldiers blown up for nothing. Its what the U.S. is good at I guess.

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A++++ job in my book if the Orange Man keeps my funds out of it... pure evil.

The West calculated the value of all the Ukrainian people at probably about ten dollars, Europeans are worth about twenty dollars.... pawns... nobody cares.
 
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Orangeburst said:
Z has bad approval in Ukraine?
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it is dropping which is not surprising. war and an extended term with no elections will rub people. early in the war his support was upper 70s lower 80s, its now low 50s.

*just saw the latest poll that came out today/yesterday in Ukraine that actually has it going up, 57%. seems like Ukraine likes that he is pushing back against Trump's lack of support*
 
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Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)

Think of it, a modestly successful comedian, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, talked the United States of America into spending $350 Billion Dollars, to go into a War that couldn’t be won, that never had to start, but a War that he, without the U.S. and “TRUMP,” will never be able to settle. The United States has spent $200 Billion Dollars more than Europe, and Europe’s money is guaranteed, while the United States will get nothing back. Why didn’t Sleepy Joe Biden demand Equalization, in that this War is far more important to Europe than it is to us — We have a big, beautiful Ocean as separation. On top of this, Zelenskyy admits that half of the money we sent him is “MISSING.” He refuses to have Elections, is very low in Ukrainian Polls, and the only thing he was good at was playing Biden “like a fiddle.” A Dictator without Elections, Zelenskyy better move fast or he is not going to have a Country left. In the meantime, we are successfully negotiating an end to the War with Russia, something all admit only “TRUMP,” and the Trump Administration, can do. Biden never tried, Europe has failed to bring Peace, and Zelenskyy probably wants to keep the “gravy train” going. I love Ukraine, but Zelenskyy has done a terrible job, his Country is shattered, and MILLIONS have unnecessarily died – And so it continues…..
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Nice, he's calling him by his correct pronoun now. (he should have said midget comedian)😂

Clock is ticking.....

I think he meant to say your life is about over. The Comedian needs the war to continue, there is no easy off-ramp anyway - worst case is you keep pissing off that Orange Man. The only way out under reasonable terms is 100% speaking about the Truth.... all of it. <-----

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LSU-SIU said:
Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)



Nice, he's calling him by his correct pronoun now. (he should have said midget comedian)😂

Clock is ticking.....

I think he meant to say your life is about over. The Comedian needs the war to continue, there is no easy off-ramp anyway - worst case is you keep pissing off that Orange Man. The only way out under reasonable terms is 100% speaking about the Truth.... all of it. <-----

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Lol, Trump could take a dump on a plate, tell you it's a wagyu steak, and you'd eat it up.

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www.ifw-kiel.de

Ukraine Support Tracker - A Database of Military, Financial and Humanitarian Aid to Ukraine

The Ukraine Support Tracker lists and quantifies military, financial and humanitarian aid promised by governments to Ukraine.
www.ifw-kiel.de www.ifw-kiel.de
 
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I don't think it matters much as they were never going to be an actual sovereign country but I would suspect everyone pretending they are making loans has run its course. None of this stuff was ever going to be paid back, they were just rolling in funding to pay the credit card.




 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Not true article 5 has been invoked exactly 1 time, and it was for us after 9/11, remember what happened? A sham
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Every European nation deployed troops to Afghanistan at one point. Issue was how USA managed the war and not NATO's response. The "nation building" strategy is what has gotten us in trouble time and time again.
 
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This "Zelensky is illegitimate because Ukraine won't hold an election" argument is moronic.

Ukraine is under martial law because they've been invaded and are in active hostilities. The Ukrainian constitution prohibits holding elections during periods of martial law.

But even if martial law were lifted today and elections were set for next month, how could they possibly be conducted in the regions that are under the control of, or under the immediate threat of attack from, a hostile foreign power?

Anyone complaining about this is either refusing to use simply logic, or he is actively hoping that Putin can install a puppet in Kyiv.
 
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I general defend the Trump camp but I am definitely uneasy with the way this is trending. It looks like we are just giving into Russia which isn't good.

I think Trump is too obsessed with ending the war and not ending it on favorable terms.

It is looking like a failure by all parties on USA side involved (both this administration and the previous ones).
 
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bamawriter said:
This "Zelensky is illegitimate because Ukraine won't hold an election" argument is moronic.

Ukraine is under martial law because they've been invaded and are in active hostilities. The Ukrainian constitution prohibits holding elections during periods of martial law.

But even if martial law were lifted today and elections were set for next month, how could they possibly be conducted in the regions that are under the control of, or under the immediate threat of attack from, a hostile foreign power?

Anyone complaining about this is either refusing to use simply logic, or he is actively hoping that Putin can install a puppet in Kyiv.
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It's a catch-22 because if he did announce elections, he'd be in violation of Ukraine's constitution, which would then have MAGAs who pretend to actually care about our own Constitution frothing at the mouth in faux outrage.
 
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bamawriter said:
This "Zelensky is illegitimate because Ukraine won't hold an election" argument is moronic.

Ukraine is under martial law because they've been invaded and are in active hostilities. The Ukrainian constitution prohibits holding elections during periods of martial law.

But even if martial law were lifted today and elections were set for next month, how could they possibly be conducted in the regions that are under the control of, or under the immediate threat of attack from, a hostile foreign power?

Anyone complaining about this is either refusing to use simply logic, or he is actively hoping that Putin can install a puppet in Kyiv.
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Yes, How could any country ever hold elections when regions of that country are under wartime conditions? (Opens history book to 1864.....🧐)

Ukraine is under martial law because Zelensky declared it so. Being at war does not mean a democracy must declare martial law.

Zelensky is corrupt. He is an elected President who has refused to hold or schedule elections. He is a golden child of the left, yet he is doing exactly what they squeal about Trump planning to do - cancel elections and run his country like a dictator.

It is possible to want Ukraine to prevail against Russia while also acknowledging that Putin is not the only bad guy leading one of the nations involved in this war.
 
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Ritzwatch said:
Yes, How could any country ever hold elections when regions of that country are under wartime conditions? (Opens history book to 1864.....🧐)

Ukraine is under martial law because Zelensky declared it so. Being at war does not mean a democracy must declare martial law.

Zelensky is corrupt. He is an elected President who has refused to hold or schedule elections. He is a golden child of the left, yet he is doing exactly what they squeal about Trump planning to do - cancel elections and run his country like a dictator.

It is possible to want Ukraine to prevail against Russia while also acknowledging that Putin is not the only bad guy leading one of the nations involved in this war.
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I like him more than just about any other world leader, straight forward, seems more logic based, doesn't get all bent out of shape, is not a lunatic like many on this board, etc. If anything he has shown great restraint, imo.

What people tell me his is, doesn't appear to be what he is. Kind of like when I was a kid and they indoctrinated me to hate Russia. Why? (Because someone said) 🤷‍♂️

They were never going to allow Germany to get with Russia, which is the reason for part of the escalation. Really indirectly the U.S. is at war with Europe i.e. were used as pawns.

As far as the Ukraine, I don't care if they hold elections, just don't send them my money and don't use my money for cia coups, which is what was going on.
 
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Yeah, exactly what I was getting at earlier. That isn't going to work out for anyone. 😂

The only way out isn't easy, imo for the Ukraine. Its for them to tell the whole Truth, that way Russia might be able to trust you in any compromises. Without that, its hard to understand any solution, especially since nobody is offering one.

This is the same thing a few of us spoke about 2-3 years ago, the Ukraine isn't going to get anything winning internet wars.

 
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Ritzwatch said:
Yes, How could any country ever hold elections when regions of that country are under wartime conditions? (Opens history book to 1864.....🧐)

Ukraine is under martial law because Zelensky declared it so. Being at war does not mean a democracy must declare martial law.

Zelensky is corrupt. He is an elected President who has refused to hold or schedule elections. He is a golden child of the left, yet he is doing exactly what they squeal about Trump planning to do - cancel elections and run his country like a dictator.

It is possible to want Ukraine to prevail against Russia while also acknowledging that Putin is not the only bad guy leading one of the nations involved in this war.
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I think you would be pretty stretched to find a nation that was under attack by its neighbor in the modern era who didn't have Martial Law in play while at war. at least in the regions attacked.

I have no idea how you would expect the military to fight in its own territory if it was still held to peace time laws. especially if you need to control the flow of information, and need the ability to mobilize and respond to threats. are you really going to drag troops off the front line to be tried in a court case for civil damages?
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Yeah, exactly what I was getting at earlier. That isn't going to work out for anyone. 😂

The only way out isn't easy, imo for the Ukraine. Its for them to tell the whole Truth, that way Russia might be able to trust you in any compromises. Without that, its hard to understand any solution, especially since nobody is offering one.

This is the same thing a few of us spoke about 2-3 years ago, the Ukraine isn't going to get anything winning internet wars.

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Translation: Trump can spout whatever nonsense he wants, but don't you dare try to correct him.
 
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LouderVol said:
I think you would be pretty stretched to find a nation that was under attack by its neighbor in the modern era who didn't have Martial Law in play while at war. at least in the regions attacked.

I have no idea how you would expect the military to fight in its own territory if it was still held to peace time laws. especially if you need to control the flow of information, and need the ability to mobilize and respond to threats. are you really going to drag troops off the front line to be tried in a court case for civil damages?
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That is probably fair, given the qualifiers of "in modern times," "while at war" and "in the regions attacked." I would hope that if Americans were attacked, its citizenry would still have constitutional protections in the conflict zones, but the patriot act makes me doubt that even we are strong enough to stand for our individual freedoms.

I suppose my question is this: If an elected leader gets to declare martial law for a war that started under his leadership, and if martial law means there are no more elections, isn't that leader incentivized to prolong conflict, rather than end it? Especially if he were not particularly popular?

Somewhere, Churchill's corpse is grieving lost opportunities.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Lol, Trump could take a dump on a plate, tell you it's a wagyu steak, and you'd eat it up.

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www.ifw-kiel.de

Ukraine Support Tracker - A Database of Military, Financial and Humanitarian Aid to Ukraine

The Ukraine Support Tracker lists and quantifies military, financial and humanitarian aid promised by governments to Ukraine.
www.ifw-kiel.de www.ifw-kiel.de
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This graph disagrees with the Reuters report in Dec '24. And that report was prior to an additional 500 million given in Jan.

 
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jmacvols1 said:
Check mate.

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He's running out of runway, and he appears to have shortened it himself.

Trump is probably right, meaning you need to get the midget out.... get someone in there that the Russians can trust or gain trust from. That's all I got right now, meaning I think for long-term peace the Russians might be forced to push them all into Poland. The best thing for the Ukraine to do is admit the whole Truth. The more they talk and cooperate, the more trust there would be from Russia that settlement is possible.
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