War in Ukraine

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#84,626
VOLLeeann said:
The sad truth is that we don’t know what to do when our government’s honor system is abused to the point of an impending autocracy. 2A was designed when the populace and military were equally matched in arms. 2A doesn’t mean **** to a tank or drones. The military is split, as well as law enforcement in general. We likely need outside assistance, but we’re burning bridges left and right, so it’s anyone’s guess at the future.

The best we can do is hold fast and keep being loud. Be nonviolent, but refresh yourself on the civil rights movements of our past. We need to do the same. Civil disobedience, sit-ins, protests, and strike however you’re able to. If not, find your community and protect the vulnerable.
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The mineral deal being the only security Trump was offering was not enough for Zelensky. He’s looking out for the Ukrainian people. Who’s to say the deal is signed and then a peace deal. What’s stopping the US from bailing on Ukraine again when Putin invades in a couple years?

I haven’t heard Trump one time say anything about the Ukrainian people being free to govern themselves as they want.
 
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TVOLS said:
The mineral deal being the only security Trump was offering was not enough for Zelensky. He’s looking out for the Ukrainian people. Who’s to say the deal is signed and then a peace deal. What’s stopping the US from bailing on Ukraine again when Putin invades in a couple years?

I haven’t heard Trump one time say anything about the Ukrainian people being free to govern themselves as they want.
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If all your Western allies immediately jump to Zelenskyy's aide, condemning you, and Russia's drunk psychopath openly praises you, it should be quite clear who owes who an apology...
 
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Did you see them clutching their pearls when Zelenskyy told them that just because they say something louder doesn’t make it true? Trump and Vance suddenly channeled the fury of a thousand Karen’s given the wrong drink at Starbucks.
 
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VOLLeeann said:
If all your Western allies immediately jump to Zelenskyy's aide, condemning you, and Russia's drunk psychopath openly praises you, it should be quite clear who owes who an apology...
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This is straight from the narcissist's playbook: Mistreat someone, then when they react, reverse and claim you are the victim, then ask them to apologize. Disgusting tactics that every single narcissist uses the same way. It's actually quite sinister how they are all just copy- paste versions of each other.
 
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TVOLS said:
The mineral deal being the only security Trump was offering was not enough for Zelensky. He’s looking out for the Ukrainian people. Who’s to say the deal is signed and then a peace deal. What’s stopping the US from bailing on Ukraine again when Putin invades in a couple years?

I haven’t heard Trump one time say anything about the Ukrainian people being free to govern themselves as they want.
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The deal was not a security agreement, only repayment for outstanding money already sent.

What’s stopping the US from bailing on Ukraine again when Putin invades in a couple years?
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There isn't anything for the U.S. to bail on. Trump is offering to facilitate an agreement, but the Ukraine said they will never sign an agreement with Russia.

I haven’t heard Trump one time say anything about the Ukrainian people being free to govern themselves as they want.
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That's up to the Ukraine and Russia to figure out, but the Ukraine said they will never agree. So. 🤷‍♂️
 
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TVOLS said:
The mineral deal being the only security Trump was offering was not enough for Zelensky. He’s looking out for the Ukrainian people. Who’s to say the deal is signed and then a peace deal. What’s stopping the US from bailing on Ukraine again when Putin invades in a couple years?
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That's fine; completely his prerogative. And it's Trump's prerogative to say, "Do what you want. We're not going to war for you, and you're not getting more free money from us. Europe, it's all yours."

That's how deals work. Each party has lines they will or will not cross. The chips will fall either way.

TVOLS said:
I haven’t heard Trump one time say anything about the Ukrainian people being free to govern themselves as they want.
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That's what he was saying when he told Z he's trying to save their country.
 
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n_huffhines said:
You can't be serious. They don't have a free press in Russia and they kill their journalists to punish them. How could anybody actually think this?
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Actually Hillary tried to kill a journalist, and an dual American citizen died in Ukrainian custody who was a journalist. So? If you go online you can get all kinds of different points of view from Russia news or independent news.

You are doing a bunch of crying but what is your plan?
 
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LSU-SIU said:
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That's up to the Ukraine and Russia to figure out, but the Ukraine said they will never agree. So. 🤷‍♂️
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This is really the only answer needed. If there are lines that Z will not cross, and lines that Trump administration will not cross, then there is no deal. And if Z will not agree to a deal based on repayment of old money, why give more money?

(I understand that we did not give Ukraine a loan. I'm saying that the narrative seems to be that the free money is over. If you don't want to continue with that truth, there is no way to continue.)
 
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Orange_Crush said:
This is really the only answer needed. If there are lines that Z will not cross, and lines that Trump administration will not cross, then there is no deal. And if Z will not agree to a deal based on repayment of old money, why give more money?

(I understand that we did not give Ukraine a loan. I'm saying that the narrative seems to be that the free money is over. If you don't want to continue with that truth, there is no way to continue.)
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There remains not much to this conflict.

The usual nuts show up and somehow 1+1 = (something unknown)
 
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TVOLS said:
The mineral deal being the only security Trump was offering was not enough for Zelensky. He’s looking out for the Ukrainian people. Who’s to say the deal is signed and then a peace deal. What’s stopping the US from bailing on Ukraine again when Putin invades in a couple years?

I haven’t heard Trump one time say anything about the Ukrainian people being free to govern themselves as they want.
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kiddiedoc said:
Honestly, with the rate at which Z is killing off his young men, it might be more helpful to send sperm donations.
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"Z is killing off his young men."

I'm curious what you think America would/should do if it was in Ukraine's place and we were invaded by a neighbor with larger military?

What, exactly, would the U.S. president do differently so that he didn't "kill off his young men"? Would you be calling for our government to surrender?
 
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n_huffhines said:
You can't be serious. They don't have a free press in Russia and they kill their journalists to punish them. How could anybody actually think this?
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We don't have a free press here either.

The comment was tongue in cheek. More or less. When it comes to objectivity on certain matters, it's likely TASS is more objective.

Which one is likely more objective on Trump? Or more appropriately, which one would come immediately to mind if you asked "which news agency is biased against Trump, TASS or CNN?"
 
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