War in Ukraine

[FortSanders]

These two post made in a row are contradictory in nature.

Bullies are inherently weak. Trump is a classic example.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Stop pressuring Ukraine and start pressuring Russia. He must publicly pressure Russia. Stop acting like Ukraine is in the wrong here. Enhance and enforce sanctions against Russia. Cut off Russia's oil money by sanctioning China and India. Enhance the production of oil and gas in the US. Put in place policies that promote LNG exports from the US to Europe. Encourage LNG terminal development on the Eastern Seaboard of the US. Force Europe to purchase US natural gas. Take public stances in favor of Human Rights in Ukraine, demand the return of the 20,000 children that were kidnapped from Ukraine.

Force the $300B in Belgium banks to be paid to Ukraine for rebuilding. Do not allow Russia to ever receive these funds.

Trump has damaged Ukraine's negotiating position by pressuring Ukraine to accept Russian positions.

These are signs of weakness. Trump cannot do this, because he has adopted a policy of weakness towards Russia.

Stop pressuring Ukraine and start pressuring Russia.

There are no cards for Trump to pressure Russia, the only card is to remove sanctions.

Stop pressuring Ukraine

That means that Ukraine will not come to the table i.e. endless war.

Force Europe to purchase US natural gas

So, you want Trump to be a bully?

demand the return of the 20,000 children that were kidnapped from Ukraine.

And where are they going and what card you playing here?

Force the $300B in Belgium banks to be paid to Ukraine for rebuilding. Do not allow Russia to ever receive these funds.

So, you want Trump to be the bully here and demand the EU steal money even though legally they probably can't?

Trump has damaged Ukraine's negotiating position by pressuring Ukraine to accept Russian positions.

You haven't identify any cards the Ukraine has in this manner, how can Trump damage something they clearly don't have?

These are signs of weakness. Trump cannot do this, because he has adopted a policy of weakness towards Russia.

You haven't identify anything he can really do other than send a strongly worded e-mail which I would think most sane people would say won't have any impact to this conflict.

Okay, bear with me... explain in 3-5 bullets what you want to happen if you were a sane person. What you have laid out is an endless war situation but in this case, it looks like the endless war isn't going to happen as they are running out of funding, resources and meat.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Bullies are inherently weak. Trump is a classic example.

So, why do you want him to bully other people? You're not making any sense.

 

[hog88]

Trump should stop pressuring Ukraine and start pressuring Russia. He must publicly pressure Russia. Stop acting like Ukraine is in the wrong here.
Enhance and enforce sanctions against Russia.
Cut off Russia's oil money by sanctioning China and India.
Enhance the production of oil and gas in the US.
Put in place policies that promote LNG exports from the US to Europe.
Encourage LNG terminal development on the Eastern Seaboard of the US.
Force Europe to purchase US natural gas.
Take public stances in favor of Human Rights in Ukraine, demand the return of the 20,000 children that were kidnapped from Ukraine.

Trump cut off weapons shipments and ordered the cessation of intelligence sharing (which immobilized the use of HIMARS). That has hurt Ukraine. He should change these policies.

Force the $300B in Belgium banks to be paid to Ukraine for rebuilding. Do not allow Russia to ever receive these funds.

Trump has damaged Ukraine's negotiating position by pressuring Ukraine to accept Russian positions. He should change this.

These are signs of weakness. Trump cannot do this, because he has adopted a policy of weakness towards Russia.

Like Biden, Trump keeps talking about the Ukraine war leading to WW3.

Trump must project strength to Russia, not weakness.

Thanks, I agree with a lot of this but if you want him to sanction China and India for buying Russian oil shouldn’t we also sanction all of the European countries buying Russian natural gas and oil? I think Europe buys more oil and NG from Russia than anyone.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Thanks, I agree with a lot of this but if you want him to sanction China and India for buying Russian oil shouldn’t we also sanction all of the European countries buying Russian natural gas and oil? I think Europe buys more oil and NG from Russia than anyone.

How does he propose sanctioning China and India? Or the rest of Europe?

(he's now adding bunches to the post but all of it is at best... send a strongly worded e-mail)

 

[hog88]

How does he propose sanctioning China and India? Or the rest of Europe?

Ask him.

 

[FortSanders]

This is a direct result of Trumps projection of weakness. Any solutions, besides forcing Ukraine to capitulate?

Russian President Vladimir Putin and other Kremlin officials explicitly rejected making any concessions in future peace negotiations or accepting any US, European, or Ukrainian peace proposals and the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) rejected the possibility of a negotiated ceasefire on March 6. Putin stated during a visit to the Defenders of the Fatherland Foundation's Moscow branch on March 6 that Russia does not intend to "give in to anyone" or make any compromises in future peace negotiations

Institute for the Study of War

Russian President Vladimir Putin and other Kremlin officials explicitly rejected making any concessions in future peace negotiations or accepting any US, European, or Ukrainian peace proposals and the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) rejected

understandingwar.org

 

[LSU-SIU]

This is a direct result of Trumps projection of weakness. Any solutions, besides forcing Ukraine to capitulate?

Russian President Vladimir Putin and other Kremlin officials explicitly rejected making any concessions in future peace negotiations or accepting any US, European, or Ukrainian peace proposals and the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) rejected the possibility of a negotiated ceasefire on March 6. Putin stated during a visit to the Defenders of the Fatherland Foundation's Moscow branch on March 6 that Russia does not intend to "give in to anyone" or make any compromises in future peace negotiations

Institute for the Study of War

Russian President Vladimir Putin and other Kremlin officials explicitly rejected making any concessions in future peace negotiations or accepting any US, European, or Ukrainian peace proposals and the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) rejected

understandingwar.org

There is no card to play, the only card to play is the removal of the existing sanction i.e. return of global financial system. There is limited reasons for Russia to make concessions at this point, see my comments from 2022.

There is no strength because there is no cards to play, and you fail to show how that even if that could happen would change the war.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Ask him.

He has a serious case of TDS and is just rambling at this point.

He wants Trump to put them on double secret probation to project strength.

He wants Trump to bully Russia but claims that bullying is a projection of weakness.

 

[Orange_Crush]

He has a serious case of TDS and is just rambling at this point.

He wants Trump to put them on double secret probation to project strength.

He wants Trump to bully Russia but claims that bullying is a projection of weakness.

It seems that there are a lot of people that believe that Trump should put us at war with Russia, or he's a Manchurian Candidate. smh

 

[LSU-SIU]

It seems that there are a lot of people that believe that Trump should put us at war with Russia, or he's a Manchurian Candidate. smh

Well, some of them are bots or npcs, no critical thinking skills. When hog asked them what they want trump to do is similar to what I asked I think years ago... what is the plan when do you realistically believe this plan can be completed? Usually we then go into strange crypt writings or name calling. Many of them are scared to actually say what they are really implying with is they want someone to go in there and die for them, or endless funding with no realistic time limit of any kind.

 

[hndog609]

This is a direct result of Trumps projection of weakness. Any solutions, besides forcing Ukraine to capitulate?

Russian President Vladimir Putin and other Kremlin officials explicitly rejected making any concessions in future peace negotiations or accepting any US, European, or Ukrainian peace proposals and the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) rejected the possibility of a negotiated ceasefire on March 6. Putin stated during a visit to the Defenders of the Fatherland Foundation's Moscow branch on March 6 that Russia does not intend to "give in to anyone" or make any compromises in future peace negotiations

Institute for the Study of War

Russian President Vladimir Putin and other Kremlin officials explicitly rejected making any concessions in future peace negotiations or accepting any US, European, or Ukrainian peace proposals and the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) rejected

understandingwar.org

So from this we would gather Russia is in this for the long haul, yes? If that's the case

how many dying is too many?

how much of our expense is too much?

I'm not trying to mess with you here...I'm honestly asking based directly on your citing that Russia doesn't seem interested in brokering any peace deals.

 

[McDad]

Is that thier fighting force???? Or population?

Population

 

[LSU-SIU]

This is a direct result of Trumps projection of weakness. Any solutions, besides forcing Ukraine to capitulate?

Russian President Vladimir Putin and other Kremlin officials explicitly rejected making any concessions in future peace negotiations or accepting any US, European, or Ukrainian peace proposals and the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) rejected the possibility of a negotiated ceasefire on March 6. Putin stated during a visit to the Defenders of the Fatherland Foundation's Moscow branch on March 6 that Russia does not intend to "give in to anyone" or make any compromises in future peace negotiations

Institute for the Study of War

Russian President Vladimir Putin and other Kremlin officials explicitly rejected making any concessions in future peace negotiations or accepting any US, European, or Ukrainian peace proposals and the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) rejected

understandingwar.org

Let me get this right.

The Ukrainians (well the remaining ones) keep on fighting, their funding is cut in half (and Europe is starting to run into problems with funding), there is limited weapon storage left, very limited production, etc. Your time table based on this projection of strength (which I don't really understand but), how many dead Ukrainians and how long before the Ukrainians expel all the Russians all the way back to Russia?

 

[LSU-SIU]

So from this we would gather Russia is in this for the long haul, yes? If that's the case

how many dying is too many?

how much of our expense is too much?

I'm not trying to mess with you here...I'm honestly asking based directly on your citing that Russia doesn't seem interested in brokering any peace deals.

He never suggested in his original post funding.

 

[n_huffhines]

 

[LSU-SIU]

What does it mean? Trump and Vance were really only educating the Mad Jester that he has no cards to play, that is the reality of the situation. One might be an idiot if they don't understand this simple concept.

Having Trump send strongly worded e-mails does not change the game.

 

[volbound1700]

The government that is in debt, mostly to US citizens, makes the money.
We literally have as much money as we decide to print.

You can argue that we should control debt to a % of GDP, but citizens are literally making money off of the government borrowing money from them. The weapons? Built here. We're stimulating the economy and destabilizing Russia...well, we were until Trump came in to cuck to Putin.

The US was Britain. You gonna celebrate Independence Day or are you cool heading back into the fold of the King?

Wrong on many accounts. If National Debt isn't an issue, then why did it sink the British Empire? You notice that the Royal Navy is no longer around as a major player in the world and the British are no longer considered a premier power.

It also sank the Roman Empire and many other nations throughout history. It is a MAJOR problem.

If you want to help Ukraine, start a GoFundMe. I don't want United States running itself into the ground trying to stop Russia taking back a wayward province.

UK-American situation is not even closely related and you know it. A great example would be the world attacking the United States over annexing Texas from Mexico. Under your logic, we should return California. Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, and Texas to Mexico I suppose since we took them in a brutally aggressive war.

 

[hndog609]

He never suggested in his original post funding.

Was just curious as that's still something very much in play with our participation. If we had magical munitions monkeys that could crank out weapons to give to Ukraine for the price of some bananas I think it much more likely we'd be doing so. We don't and lots and LOTS of people are rather over the cost involved with no particular end in sight.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Was just curious as that's still something very much in play with our participation. If we had magical munitions monkeys that could crank out weapons to give to Ukraine for the price of some bananas I think it much more likely we'd be doing so. We don't and lots and LOTS of people are rather over the cost involved with no particular end in sight.

We could probably get some of that money back from the Biden accounts.

 

[volbound1700]

Was just curious as that's still something very much in play with our participation. If we had magical munitions monkeys that could crank out weapons to give to Ukraine for the price of some bananas I think it much more likely we'd be doing so. We don't and lots and LOTS of people are rather over the cost involved with no particular end in sight.

I can agree. If our economy wasn't so weak and we didn't have the excessive date, I would be more ok with us donating equipment to Ukraine. I do hate the killing as Trump says for both sides.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I can agree. If our economy wasn't so weak and we didn't have the excessive date, I would be more ok with us donating equipment to Ukraine. I do hate the killing as Trump says for both sides.

The longer we support Ukraine, the longer the war goes, the more men die. All in a war they will never win, even with our help. All for land they will never get back. All because of a comedian who refuses to negotiate to end the bloodshed.

Trump is simply hastening the inevitable to save lives.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Was just curious as that's still something very much in play with our participation. If we had magical munitions monkeys that could crank out weapons to give to Ukraine for the price of some bananas I think it much more likely we'd be doing so. We don't and lots and LOTS of people are rather over the cost involved with no particular end in sight.

I believe the Orange man when he says he wants it to stop (peace), but I don't think he would be so inclined to interfere if the Ukrainians had any shot. Of course, I'm of the opinion regardless of if the Ukrainians have some realistic chance or not, we shouldn't be funding it or supplying it. I would say my opinion, might be the minority on the board. Vance made it pretty clear, they are lacking in weapons and meat, and they have no plan to remedy either situation. The neocons set this one up rather well, something I spoke about probably a year or more ago. There is no easy off-ramp. Eventually, the Europeans will ditch Project Ukraine as they will have to prepare for their own problem(s)... they already are.

 

[volbound1700]

The longer we support Ukraine, the longer the war goes, the more men die. All in a war they will never win, even with our help. All for land they will never get back. All because of a comedian who refuses to negotiate to end the bloodshed.

Trump is simply hastening the inevitable to save lives.

And protecting USA interests by not investing into an unwinnable war and hurting our nation further on the debt meter.

 

[norrislakevol]

The longer we support Ukraine, the longer the war goes, the more men die. All in a war they will never win, even with our help. All for land they will never get back. All because of a comedian who refuses to negotiate to end the bloodshed.

Trump is simply hastening the inevitable to save lives.

Russia should have never invaded, but having said that this is the way I see it playing out; If Ukraine and Russia don't play ball then Trump will just punt to Europe. We're out. Now, will Poland or France actually put boots on the ground? Unlikely, unless Kiev is about to fall, which will take quite a while if it indeed does. Russian equipment losses are really bad, but they do have more people (soldiers in particular). What ever comes of this, France, Germany, and England will deal with severe internal strife over economics, migrants, ect in the near future. That is a match that could ignite civil war in those countries that would spread across western Europe. Meanwhile, whatever is left of Ukraine and Russia would have to sit that one out. After this they wouldn't be able to fight a major war to this scale for at least a decade. Going to be interesting times.