War in Ukraine

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Orange_Crush said:
Way to miss your own point.

You also missed the point that Germany and Japan were not nuclear powers with the threat of ending civilization with a war between US and them.

We were 'helping' Ukraine. The comedian refused to negotiate an end without "Security Guarantees", which effectively forces the US to "join the war". That is NOT going to happen. Period. Unlike the days of WWII, The US and Russia are two nuclear powers with the combined power to destroy the earth.

You guys shouldn't be asking, "Why is Trump refusing to escalate between US and Russia?" You really should be asking why so many are trying to pressure him to do so.

I would be interested to hear your plan/solution for the situation.
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You, like Biden, have bought into the fear of nuclear escalation. We should crush Russia's economy.
 
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hog88 said:
I don’t remember seeing much on the news or in this thread about the fighting in Ukraine since about November last year. Did both sides take the winter off or was it just not headline news worthy?
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When it become abundantly apparrent that Ukraine would never win the war is when it became not news worthy.
 
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hog88 said:
I don’t remember seeing much on the news or in this thread about the fighting in Ukraine since about November last year. Did both sides take the winter off or was it just not headline news worthy?
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Well there was a huge US propaganda media celebration of whoever ran the so-called “Biden” administration approving the launching new U.S. missiles into Russia and shoveling all the money they could come up with into the grift and money-laundering pit called Ukraine — both AFTER the huge election victory of Trump who campaigned and won on the issue of ending the war. Both moves were designed to undermine the will of the voters “in our democracy” and the complicate peace effort.

But, yeah most everything else fell quiet.
 
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People who fail to face up to all the promises the U.S. has broken to Russia since 1992, the 2014 US coup in Ukraine and the reasons for it, the U.S. destruction of the Nord Stream pipelines, the profiteering neocon actual intention to overthrow the government of Russia and get their greedy hands on those resources, and the willingness of former U.S. policy to throw truly massive numbers of Ukrainians into the meat grinder as a steppingstone and decoy are the real cowards.
 
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Of course, none of us knows what's being said behind the scenes, but this could become a big problem for Trump. If I was a party involved, I would start scaling back attacks (not saying it out loud) if peace is reachable soon. There are no big objectives reachable if peace is near. If I was Trump, I would start getting pissed off based on Russia's actions.
 
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In addition to being “attempts to overthrow our democracy,” “election interference,” and “insurrection,” the RussiaGate op, the Biden’s-not-extorting-and-grifting and Hunter’s notebook op, and the phony Trump-loves-Putin op were and still remain WAR propaganda ops run against the American people. Too many gullible Americans are still basing their views on peace based on those gigantic misinformation campaigns.
 
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Matt2496 said:
Based on Russia's recent actions in Ukraine, I don't know if Russia is actually truly interested in a peace deal. They may just want complete annihilation and control of Ukraine where de-escalation isn't actually possible.

We'll see if Trump can get them to the table.
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Basically what I was getting at 2 years ago. Meaning there is no practical way for Russia to obtain the goals of their operation, especially since the Ukrainians don't seem to want to go along with the plan. There is no easy off-ramp. They might just continue until unconditional surrender (at which time they agree and than tell all the Ukrainians to start walking to Poland or you just push them Poland). We'll see though.

Nobody wants to have to over see or fund that area.
 
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Matt2496 said:
Based on Russia's recent actions in Ukraine, I don't know if Russia is actually truly interested in a peace deal. They may just want complete annihilation and control of Ukraine where de-escalation isn't actually possible.

We'll see if Trump can get them to the table.
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Putin: I just want that buffer between us and NATO.
Europe: If the US doesn't go to war with you, we will.
Putin: OK. I see how this is going.
The West: Obviously Putin isn't interested in de-escalation.
 
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TVOLS said:
Of course, none of us knows what's being said behind the scenes, but this could become a big problem for Trump. If I was a party involved, I would start scaling back attacks (not saying it out loud) if peace is reachable soon. There are no big objectives reachable if peace is near. If I was Trump, I would start getting pissed off based on Russia's actions.
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Why would anyone scale back attacks? (Especially since it looks like Kursk appears to be encircled) The only real card that Trump has is to remove the existing sanctions, and since Russia has successfully detached from the global system (at least directly) I don't see how him getting pissed or not changing that. The true card in this is not material, its Trump trying to wiggle some things on the edges for the Ukraine. Personally, I think he is wasting a bunch of time with all this, he has a ton more patience than I'll ever have.

The Ukraine and Europe don't seem to want to listen, well, I guess they GOT THIS.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
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Vance is saying what I said a year ago. The war is now onto europe, something I spoke about in 2022. Europe will be in various states of chaos for probably decades.

This isn't a conflict between Russia and the Ukraine, its Russia against stupid idiotic millennials.

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Regardless if is on one side, or the other side, or on no side - there has to be a strategy. Right now, the strategy appears to be hope.

If one was say pitching this war to get others engaged into it either for funds, equipment, or personnel.... exactly what is the sales pitch? What exactly is the desired outcome? How do you realistically plan to get there? What are the costs in money, resources and meat? How do you realistically obtain those things?

Unless the Ukraine mobilizes the whole country i.e. WWII style, its hard to imagine how there will be significant impact to the battlefield.

Even someone that is going to open a hotdog stand starts to calculate costs.
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I would have to agree there but the problem is, even if that was the "strategy", that "strategy" has clearly not worked at this point and probably has had the opposite effect. (I know you know that, just saying) If that strategy has failed than a new course of action has to happen and adjust to a new potential outcome desired. To get the new outcome desired, one must have a strategy, the Ukraine nor the United States have a strategy that I can tell.

There is no sale here other than some type of hope, I'm not even sure hope even exists.... its just nonsense. If you go through all of your meat and ammo, than its onto unconditional surrender time at some point. Basically using people as meat shields with no real plan or strategy not only doesn't make sense, its just down right evil. Meat shields can be a legitimate tactic but not when you have nothing on the back end, imo.

If one spends all of their chips, at some point there isn't anything to negotiate.
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