War in Ukraine

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Paper_Towel said:
I've already requested for political comments to be ceased. You have other threads in this forum to spam.

This is a thread about the current war in Ukraine, not your personal twitter page.
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This is a political forum. Political commentary on a very political war is to be expected don't you think?
 
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landscapingvol said:
Which was the catalyst for WW2, had there been a true enemy in WW1 there would never have been a WW2. It was the enforced democratization of Germany and the punitive nature of the treaty that made WW2 inevitable. Germany was bearing the brunt of a war in didn't start. IF Russia sees another revolution which I highly doubt because society is different today, then what comes out of it needs to be allowed into the World markets and not ostracized due to its Communist past. Assuming what comes out of it resembles some form of an open, free nation. That is a lot of ifs but you can't keep kicking a country while its down and expect it not to fight back eventually.
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Germany kind of did start WW1 by "encouraging" Austria-Hungary to attack Serbia. Germany was worried about the increasing population and economic development in the Russian Empire and wanted a war before Russia got too strong. The Kaiser was nuts and so was his staff basically. They kind of remind me of Putin and Russia today.

WW2 was aided by the Great Depression. Had the Great Depression not happened, Germany would have not elected Hitler and Japan would not have been encouraged to go into China to deal with its own economic whims.
 
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Hunerwadel said:
This is a political forum. Political commentary on a very political war is to be expected don't you think?
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Yes but many of them are going way off topic. I think there needs to be a separate thread where people can complain about how Biden has handled this or how Trump would have handled it because those topics are getting very off-topic on what is going on right now in Ukraine.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Somewhere out there…. A Ukrainian pilot just lost his wings….
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It’s a great story . I’m a little disappointed that as per history in that part of the world , it wasn’t a sniper hidden under a rock , with only a snickers bar and a timber full of water , having to melt down his war medals to make bullets after he had wiped out a whole division by waiting for them to line up in a row so he could shoot them through one eye at a thousand yards .
 
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FedEx, UPS suspend deliveries to Russia
https://www.nbcnews.com/author/david-k-li-ncpn915856
FedEx and UPS have both suspended shipments to Russia, further isolating the country's economy after Russian troops invaded Ukraine.

FedEx announced Saturday that it's "temporarily suspending inbound and outbound services to Ukraine and inbound service to Russia until further notice."

Earlier, UPS said it was temporarily suspending "shipments to destination addresses in Russia." Packages to and from Ukraine have been stopped since Thursday.

U.S. citizens should consider leaving Russia immediately, State Department says
https://www.nbcnews.com/author/phil-mccausland-ncpn670821
The U.S. Embassy in Moscow warned U.S. citizens Sunday that they should consider leaving the country immediately as more countries impose airspace restrictions on Russia.
 
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0nelilreb said:
It’s a great story . I’m a little disappointed that as per history in that part of the world , it wasn’t a sniper hidden under a rock , with only a snickers bar and a timber full of water , having to melt down his war medals to make bullets after he had wiped out a whole division by waiting for them to line up in a row so he could shoot them through one eye at a thousand yards .
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Give it time.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Yes but many of them are going way off topic. I think there needs to be a separate thread where people can complain about how Biden has handled this or how Trump would have handled it because those topics are getting very off-topic on what is going on right now in Ukraine.
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I'm still waiting to here from all the Biden critics on what he should have done or should be doing differently. From where I sit it looks like he is about help end not 1, but 2 wars.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Germany kind of did start WW1 by "encouraging" Austria-Hungary to attack Serbia. Germany was worried about the increasing population and economic development in the Russian Empire and wanted a war before Russia got too strong. The Kaiser was nuts and so was his staff basically. They kind of remind me of Putin and Russia today.

WW2 was aided by the Great Depression. Had the Great Depression not happened, Germany would have not elected Hitler and Japan would not have been encouraged to go into China to deal with its own economic whims.
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Hitler was being wrecked prior to the great depression. He has no power because the German people felt they were flourishing despite the debt. The sanctions we're way too harsh and they were ticking time bombs. In other words I agree with you both on WWII.

I think wwi was a less black and white than WWII.
 
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I am thinking that Ukraine is already a major defeat for Putin even if he escalates and takes Kiev and takes out the government. I think the Russians thought they could march into Ukraine and take the nation and people with minimal damage to the infrastructure and minimal casualties to both sides. Russia needed a healthy Ukraine, not a ruined Ukraine and now everything is a total failure in that regard and Ukraine is very hostile and united against Russia. It is a massive failure for Putin and he isn't handling it very well. Due to his "strong man" mentality, he cannot back down either.

If he was a good leader that cared about his people, he would have never been in this situation in the first place. Instead of wasting all of his money lining the pockets of oligarchs and somewhat building up the military (looks like it has been neglected to a degree based on this conflict), Putin should have spent his record oil profits on building up the Russian economy and infrastructure. There is no reason as to why Russia should be so weak economically, they had the resources and populace to become a major industrial and economic power. Putin should have tried to follow China's example and made Russia the place for outsourced manufacturing opportunities.

Instead of fighting the EU and NATO, Russia should be trying to join them. Russia, with its size and military strength, would have a large voice in both the EU and NATO and would be able to challenge French and German interests. In many ways, Russia could be more of a threat by playing the game and being in the EU system than being the pariah state it is right now.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
I'm still waiting to here from all the Biden critics on what he should have done or should be doing differently. From where I sit it looks like he is about help end not 1, but 2 wars.
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He's not. Europe is stepping up. It's not Biden. Biden is going to cause alot of pain for US citizens if he doesn't change his energy policies pronto. The sanctions arent doing anything. Russia getting knocked on their ass by Ukraine and their people rallied Europe to side with Ukraine and everyone is jumping the Russian ship or picking the supposed leader in the fight.
 
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Just created a separate thread for Biden vs. Trump discussions. Feel free to post there.

My two cents is that Ukraine is pulling the weight of the world on this one. If anyone deserves the credit in slowing down Russia, it is the Ukrainians and their government.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Germany kind of did start WW1 by "encouraging" Austria-Hungary to attack Serbia. Germany was worried about the increasing population and economic development in the Russian Empire and wanted a war before Russia got too strong. The Kaiser was nuts and so was his staff basically. They kind of remind me of Putin and Russia today.

WW2 was aided by the Great Depression. Had the Great Depression not happened, Germany would have not elected Hitler and Japan would not have been encouraged to go into China to deal with its own economic whims.
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Austria wanted to punish Serbia for their continued annoyance towards the empire, Serbia had no real role in the assassination other than supposedly providing the weapon. Sarajevo was located in the Austrian Empire. Austria hated the Serbs and needed the backing of the Germans for support because they knew Russia would defend the Slavs, Germany was not threatened by the Russian Empire. It had been teetering on the edge of revolution for a while and was economically declining. Russia wasn't strengthening it was declining. They were embarrassed by the Japanese at the turn of the century and had already endured several unsuccessful revolts, heck the Czar had no real heir to the throne. Russia mobilized their armies along the German border which provoked the Germans. The only real success Russia had in the war was in the very beginning when they invaded Eastern Prussia. Japan invaded China in 1931, over a decade before Pearl Harbor. The Great Depression did have a major role in Hitler's ascension to power. It's hard to say whether or not he wouldn't have been appointed as Chancellor considering the party had a majority in the Reichstag; Hindenberg's death alone may have facilitated it without the Great Depression.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
We want him to do exactly what he’s doing. Stay in Delaware and out of the way.
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Frankly if he just goes on vacation the rest of the time, and revokes a couple of his more idiotic decisions around energy, I'll consider his presidency a success. Unfortunately it is usually the policy of leftists to meddle in as many lives as possible.
 
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MontyPython said:
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Seems rather high. I would like to know the Ukrainian losses to compare but I know no one wants to talk about that. Cant be this much losses on RU side without some serious losses on UKR side. I mean, grannies carrying AK47s are NOT taking down APCs. Russians cant be just sitting there waiting to get shot or blown up. So what are the real numbers?
 
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Gandalf said:
Seems rather high. I would like to know the Ukrainian losses to compare but I know no one wants to talk about that. Cant be this much losses on RU side without some serious losses on UKR side. I mean, grannies carrying AK47s are NOT taking down APCs. Russians cant be just sitting there waiting to get shot or blown up. So what are the real numbers?
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A 2:1 or possibly 3:1 ratio of dead Russians to Ukrainians seems reasonable considering Ukraine is on defense.
 
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