War in Ukraine

For one, you don't know the post you used to declare it a hoax is genuine; that's "dumb". How do you know she isn't or is the woman in some/all the photos? You don't, eh? Are there no bloodied women in Ukraine? Why would it matter if one had posed to represent them? Not at all.

Where it stops is with the aggressor nation leaving. Until then, ANY action Ukraine takes against them, including PsyOps is justified. Any - EVERY - nation in conflict does so, period. Ukraine would be "dumb" not to.

And...again...according to you, it doesn’t matter if things are misrepresented or not? That’s a dangerous conclusion, because the only option isn’t Russia leaving...that’s not going to happen anytime soon without concessions. The wise thing to do would be for Ukraine to quit PsyOping the last stand of the Alamo...and genuinely get to the negotiating table...and save Ukrainian lives. Today, tomorrow or next year...they aren’t going to beat Russia in this war without the help of NATO...and that’s not going to happen either.
 
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Because it's important not to whitewash where the GOP (largely) stood on NATO, Russia and Ukraine until the invasion actually happened. Trumpers wearing shirts saying they support Russia over Dems, Trump withholding support/extorting Ukraine for non-existent dirt on Biden, Trump wanting to exit NATO, Tucker flat out saying he was cheering for Russia, etc etc. That's the ugly history you guys have. Don't act like the party didn't dance with the devil.
Both parties have danced with the devil, and we've seen stories supporting that. Stop trying to make it one sided. Now go feed your cats.
 
...which is dumb. I could see the logic/fear if Fukushima blew up on its own, but the nuclear incident there was caused by an earthquake/tsunami. Either of those a big risk in Germany? lol
Obviously it's not risk-free, and there are good economic arguments against building new plants (at least with the older designs), but to shut down plants that are working perfectly fine is misguided.
 
I've already stated I think the U.S. involves itself too much in foreign affairs. I'm not a fan of us going into Syria, or Iraq, or even Afghanistan beyond seeking UBL. But what's happening in the Ukraine right now does not compare to Syria, and your misguided attempts to defend your man-crush Putin by trying to draw parallels is weak.
Idlib, Raqqa and Aleppo don't compare to what's going on now?
 
That is one if the reasons why it is head scratching to me trying to make sense of the propaganda by the media, yet these weak sanctions on the other hand. If it was Russia being trapped in a quagmire, these guys in the West would have been laying the hammer down and going for the kill shot by now.

The ruble is worth less than 1 cent. Companies are severing ties at break neck speeds and it's so bad, the Russian stock market refuses to even open. You sound like Baghdad Bob.

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For all you Fiona Hill advocates she said fracking was a direct threat to Putin
just saying
Fiona Hill... stood there and tried to sell the Russian collusion narrative at the 1st Trump impeachment. Very credible (or not) swamp creature with ties to the UK. Worked under John Bolton. We already see where she stands...
 
For those that are defending Putin, the UN walked out today when Russia got up to speak. This isn't just NATO and the USA, the whole world is pissed off. Even Switzerland broke neutrality to condemn Russia:



Countries like Panama, Singapore, Peru, and Kenya have condemned Russia.

Mapped: 87 countries condemn Russia's invasion of Ukraine at the UN

So I guess the whole world is out to get Russia.
 
I am surprised as anyone at how poorly the Russian military is performing. It is a clown show of Pruitt level ineptitude.
But here is the central question….barring an internal revolt in which the Russian mob/military/State Security forces Putin out to avoid further embarrassment, does ANYONE see a realistic outcome in which Ukraine „wins“? The Russian powers that be will not allow an independent Ukraine to survive. They will continue the conflict openly or underground until they have a puppet regime in Kyiv. It sucks, but that is reality. Anything else fuses Russia to lose face and that cannot happen in their eyes

That simply is not true, Russia had initial early success in WW1 but was decimated by several embarrassing defeats to the Germans and Austrians. Their two "finest" hours were primarily successful due to the weather and an enemy spread too thin no some drastic shift in military strategy: Stalingrad, Napoleon. The only reason they weren't overrun by the Germans had nothing to do with some strategical shift, it was because the Germans were spread too thin and had to pause due to the weather. This gave the Russians time to rearm and resupply something the Germans couldn't really do due to the toll the war had already taken on them. Napoleon's army had no winter clothes and supply lines were stretched too thin. The Russian Army hasn't won a stand alone war since Napoleon and that was severely weather aided. If you look at one of the great battles of WW2 in Kursk, it wasn't a shift in military tactics. The Russians got ahold of the German plan and were able to build massive anti-tank defenses. They simply overwhelmed the Germans with hundreds of tanks but still nearly lost the battle. For the most part, the Russian military is highly overrated historically. People forget they had just lost a war against the Japanese at the turn of the 20th century and were largely humiliated during WW1 ceding massive areas of land to the Central Powers. Had the US not kept them on life support during WW2, they would have likely lost it as well.
 
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And...again...according to you, it doesn’t matter if things are misrepresented or not? That’s a dangerous conclusion, because the only option isn’t Russia leaving...that’s not going to happen anytime soon without concessions. The wise thing to do would be for Ukraine to quit PsyOping the last stand of the Alamo...and genuinely get to the negotiating table...and save Ukrainian lives. Today, tomorrow or next year...they aren’t going to beat Russia in this war without the help of NATO...and that’s not going to happen either.

Correct; what importance is a photo of one bloodied woman whether real or fake? It's not as if this is a bloodless invasion and this suddenly changes world perspective. I mean, what can be more dangerous than Russia invading the country and now preparing to encircle and take Kyiv? I don't understand the fascination for the tree in this forest of destruction.

Again, I approve any means Ukraine takes to defend themselves. Or garner material and moral support for that defense. They are absolutely in the right and Russia absolutely in the wrong.
 
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Without knowing Putin's strategy it's hard to know how well or poorly he's performing. It seems he underestimated the resistance to a "bloodless" takeover and perhaps how sanction aggressive NATO would get. That said, he may have not intended to release the Kraken unless needed and he now appears to be physically positioned to do so if he needs to. IOW - I don't know that he planned to physically take Ukraine by now.

Clearly Ukraine's early wins increase the Ukrainian resolve.
Putins Long term strategy is to reform the USSR and potentially the Warsaw Pact. He wants/needs a buffer from a strong EU controlled by Germany. Ironically his misstep will lead to a much militarily stronger Germany now. I am expecting a basic doubling of their military budgets the next few years.
Short term, Putin‘s strategy was to install a compliant puppet leadership in a nominally „independent“ Ukraine. He has tried for years to accomplish that through non military means. When that wasn’t producing results quickly enough, he grew impatient and started his buildup along the Ukrainian border. When Kyiv refused to be intimidated by that, he gave the greenliight for an invasion. I really believe he thought it would only take about 24 hours for the Ukranians to capitulate and throw out their Democratically elected government and give him defacto control of Ukranian policy. The gambit has failed so far
 
That simply is not true, Russia had initial early success in WW1 but was decimated by several embarrassing defeats to the Germans and Austrians. Their two "finest" hours were primarily successful due to the weather and an enemy spread too thin no some drastic shift in military strategy: Stalingrad, Napoleon. The only reason they weren't overrun by the Germans had nothing to do with some strategical shift, it was because the Germans were spread too thin and had to pause due to the weather. This gave the Russians time to rearm and resupply something the Germans couldn't really do due to the toll the war had already taken on them. Napoleon's army had no winter clothes and supply lines were stretched too thin. The Russian Army hasn't won a stand alone war since Napoleon and that was severely weather aided. If you look at one of the great battles of WW2 in Kursk, it wasn't a shift in military tactics. The Russians got ahold of the German plan and were able to build massive anti-tank defenses. They simply overwhelmed the Germans with hundreds of tanks but still nearly lost the battle. For the most part, the Russian military is highly overrated historically. People forget they had just lost a war against the Japanese at the turn of the 20th century and were largely humiliated during WW1 ceding massive areas of land to the Central Powers. Had the US not kept them on life support during WW2, they would have likely lost it as well.

Someone loves history as much as I do.

Funny thing is that one of the best fought wars by Russia (Seven Years War) saw their new Czar that took over mid-war sign a treaty for nothing and join the Prussians. Russia's great period was the timeframe of Peter the Great through Catherine the Great. They did do a good job beating up Mongol and Turkish states such as the Great Horde, Kazan, Uzbeks, etc. but you are right that they really haven't done very well in modern era.
 
Or go back to the Ukraine 1 thread. You can see what is being said now, back then. It's no revisionist bs.

That president ran under the context of closer ties to the west. Days comes to sign, he drops the west and signs with Russia. That pissed people off. The people were shot upon and the president fled to Russia, I am sure all of that was just some unplanned coincidence by Russia, and that only Nulands cookies matter.

Ras has the same blind spot he blames the rest of us for. He is willing to accept ANY bs that paints the US in a bad light or responsible. No matter how convoluted his reasoning is or the Occam Razor of pointing out Russias own involvement.

It's why he has me blocked. I read the bs he posted and pointed out the lack of internal consistency and he got tired of me.

The truth is always in the middle, Ras over corrects the "other" way and thinks he has the right of it.
Perfect description of him
 
I hope that the sanctions and condemnations don't stop when Russia eventually achieves its goal. By sheer numbers, they'll eventually overtake the Ukraine. I hope when that happens, we don't see countries start to simply forget. Russia needs to remain isolated from everyone else over this. Otherwise, it's not really a deterrent, and they'll just do it to another country in the future.
 
Putins Long term strategy is to reform the USSR and potentially the Warsaw Pact. He wants/needs a buffer from a strong EU controlled by Germany. Ironically his misstep will lead to a much militarily stronger Germany now. I am expecting a basic doubling of their military budgets the next few years.
Short term, Putin‘s strategy was to install a compliant puppet leadership in a nominally „independent“ Ukraine. He has tried for years to accomplish that through non military means. When that wasn’t producing results quickly enough, he grew impatient and started his buildup along the Ukrainian border. When Kyiv refused to be intimidated by that, he gave the greenliight for an invasion. I really believe he thought it would only take about 24 hours for the Ukranians to capitulate and throw out their Democratically elected government and give him defacto control of Ukranian policy. The gambit has failed so far

Germany lost so many people and land during the World Wars that they really are not that much of a threat anymore. Hitler inherited a lot large Germany territorial and bolster his population with the Austrian Germans in Austria and Czechoslovakia.

After WW2, Germany lost the major landmasses that were Prussia, Silesia, and Pomerania.
 
basically, the world has him pinned and now we wait. We wait for the Russians, or Ukraines, or Belarus... or all to do thier thing. We can't do much more. It's not our place. That's why we have stepped back. We refused to enact a no fly zone and not give polish jets for the same reason. We didn't want to be the ones to have to shoot russian planes out of the sky. We are not the aggressor. He's done it to himself.
 

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