War in Ukraine

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Septic said:
If we can bring Russia to its knees with the sweeping and deviating sanction without causing further cost increases to consumers , why wouldn't we? So that you could then turn around and screech more about Biden causing this mess?

Anyway, I'm just teasing you - it's not really a debate. We both know that the sanctions have been and will continue to be devastating to Russias economy.

Pointing out the stock exchange is closed is just a manifestation of a symptom of the much larger disease. Ignoring this isn't going to make it go away.
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How can these sanctions work when we are cutting oil here and buying Russias oil at record numbers?

I saw a report where he is making 1 billion a day off oil sales alone.


Unless we cut off his income source from oil these sanctions are just smoke and mirrors.
 
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The secretive, palatial $17 Million Long Island estate that locals say is used as Russian spy hub: Republicans call on Biden to expel residents because 'we have no idea what's going on behind these walls'

Right in the heart of Long Island's famed Gold Coast sits a Russian-owned compound that has long been suspected of being a hive for espionage. The sprawling 39-acre estate was purchased by the Soviet Union in 1946 as country retreat for their delegates to the United Nations.

It has been rumored that the property also served as a base to actively recruit American double agents, and spy on Long Island's robust defense industry at the height of the Cold War. Its current use is unknown.

Named 'Killenworth House,' the property features a Gatsby-like manor containing 49 rooms, a swimming pool, a tennis court, multiple greenhouses, lush gardens tended to by a team of 50 gardeners. Beyond those details, very little is known of what goes on behind its fortress walls on Dosoris Lane.

Since it was first purchased by the U.S.S.R 70 years ago, the mysterious suburban compound has been a hotbed for geopolitical and local tension. Over the weekend, a group of Republican Long Island politicians called on President Biden to expel Russian diplomats from the property.

'One of the things that is most disconcerting is the fact that we have no idea what they're doing behind these walls; what kind of nefarious activities they could be engaged in,' said Nassau County Executive Bruce Blakeman said on Sunday.

Blakeman, whose grandparents immigrated from Ukraine, has a right to be paranoid - in 1982, a high-ranking Soviet defector told US intelligence officials that the top floors of Killenworth 'contained the world's most advanced electric surveillance equipment.'

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Killenworth House is a sprawling 39-acre estate in Glen Cove, Long Island that was purchased by the Russians in 1946 and used as a retreat for visiting UN diplomats. At the height of the Cold War, the property served as a base to actively recruit American double agents, and spy on Long Island's defense industry. Its current use is unknown

Officials demand eviction of the palatial Long Island estate, Killenworth, used as Russian spy hub | Daily Mail Online
 
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NEO said:
How can these sanctions work when we are cutting oil here and buying Russias oil at record numbers?

I saw a report where he is making 1 billion a day off oil sales alone.


Unless we cut off his income source from oil these sanctions are just smoke and mirrors.
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Energy exports fund around 40% of Russia’s budget. It would be the death knell of the Russian economy.

However, what has been done so far has done incalculable damage. The stock market is closed because when it opens, there’s going to be a crash that will further ruin the economy.

And the devaluation of the Rubble along with restrictions on transactions from a lot of international financial institutions is going to make everything cost A LOT more.

I initially thought the sanctions were going to have little effect. They have been devastating this far. They are probably searching for ways to prop up the economy before opening that stock echange, because that is what is going to make the devastation apparent to the masses.
 
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TVOLS said:
I’m a bit confused on Ukranians Air Force and how they can receive MIG’s and not get destroyed. Are they landing their Air Force throughout the country on roads hiding them? At this point I just don’t see how Ukraine has a working airport.
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I read this last night - maybe just speculation, but it's interesting anyway. It's about dispersal and the use of roads and unimproved runways.

The MiG-29s and Su-25s that EU could donate to Ukraine and Why the Russians have not achieved ‘Total Aerial Superiority’ in the Ukrainian skies - The Aviation Geek Club
 
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£430billion wipeout: Russian stocks crash 98% on London indexes as sanctions bite

UK-listed depositary receipts of Russian companies are evaporating in value as sanctions take effect.
The Dow Jones Russia GDR Index, which tracks London-traded Russian companies, has plunged 98% in two weeks.
The slump has wiped out $572 billion (£430 billion) from the market value of 23 stocks, including Gazprom, Sberbank of Russia and Rosneft, according to Bloomberg calculations.
 
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My goodness, I swear, we have the most corrupt media and govt on the planet. The propaganda these guys have been spinning the past few days has been epic. One of their hardest efforts to date.

EU Plans to Send Fighter Jets to Ukraine Fall Apart - News From Antiwar.com

The plan announced Monday by EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrel was meant to give Ukraine old Russian-made MiG-29 and Su-24 fighter jets, which Ukraine’s pilots are already trained to fly. Poland, Bulgaria, and Slovakia were reportedly lined up to transfer the planes, but officials from each country denied the plan.

“Slovakia will not provide fighter jets to Ukraine,” the Slovak Foreign Ministry told Newsweek on Tuesday. Bulgarian Prime Minister Kiril Petkov said Monday that Bulgaria doesn’t have enough warplanes to guard its own airspace, let alone enough to send to Ukraine.
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Ukraine armed forces have been striking that long line of Russian troops heading to Kyiv while the Russians have used thermobaric weapons against Ukrainian cities, the head of Ukraine’s defense intelligence agency tells Military Times.

“We are striking the enemy’s columns,” Brig. Gen. Kyrylo Budanov told Military Times in an exclusive interview Wednesday morning. “We burn many columns of the enemy.”

The strikes, he said, are being conducted by Ukraine Su-24 and Su-25 fighter jets, artillery and missile barrages.

“My intelligence officers and agents are directing and calling the strikes,” he said.

Marine Lt. Col. Anton Semelroth, a Pentagon spokesman said Wednesday morning he “would not speak to intel assessments.”
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
The secretive, palatial $17 Million Long Island estate that locals say is used as Russian spy hub: Republicans call on Biden to expel residents because 'we have no idea what's going on behind these walls'

Right in the heart of Long Island's famed Gold Coast sits a Russian-owned compound that has long been suspected of being a hive for espionage. The sprawling 39-acre estate was purchased by the Soviet Union in 1946 as country retreat for their delegates to the United Nations.

It has been rumored that the property also served as a base to actively recruit American double agents, and spy on Long Island's robust defense industry at the height of the Cold War. Its current use is unknown.

Named 'Killenworth House,' the property features a Gatsby-like manor containing 49 rooms, a swimming pool, a tennis court, multiple greenhouses, lush gardens tended to by a team of 50 gardeners. Beyond those details, very little is known of what goes on behind its fortress walls on Dosoris Lane.

Since it was first purchased by the U.S.S.R 70 years ago, the mysterious suburban compound has been a hotbed for geopolitical and local tension. Over the weekend, a group of Republican Long Island politicians called on President Biden to expel Russian diplomats from the property.

'One of the things that is most disconcerting is the fact that we have no idea what they're doing behind these walls; what kind of nefarious activities they could be engaged in,' said Nassau County Executive Bruce Blakeman said on Sunday.

Blakeman, whose grandparents immigrated from Ukraine, has a right to be paranoid - in 1982, a high-ranking Soviet defector told US intelligence officials that the top floors of Killenworth 'contained the world's most advanced electric surveillance equipment.'

54816451-10565699-image-a-36_1646205181147.jpg

Killenworth House is a sprawling 39-acre estate in Glen Cove, Long Island that was purchased by the Russians in 1946 and used as a retreat for visiting UN diplomats. At the height of the Cold War, the property served as a base to actively recruit American double agents, and spy on Long Island's defense industry. Its current use is unknown

Officials demand eviction of the palatial Long Island estate, Killenworth, used as Russian spy hub | Daily Mail Online
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I know many here have little faith in our intelligence services. I'm not one of those. We may getting a lot of information out of this place or even have agents inside. But yeah, if it has no intelligence value to us shut it down. I'm not gong to try to find a link but I believe we closed down a similar Chinese place in Texas a few years ago.
 
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Septic said:
If we can bring Russia to its knees with the sweeping and deviating sanction without causing further cost increases to consumers , why wouldn't we? So that you could then turn around and screech more about Biden causing this mess?
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Biden (while VP), Obama, Victoria Nuland, John Kerry, etc started all of this Ukraine nonsense in 2013. They had an opportunity to cool things off after the coup they orchestrated by allowing Ukraine to enforce the Minsk II agreements around 2015. So yes, the blood is on their hands just as much as it is on Putin's right now. Facts.

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Anyway, I'm just teasing you - it's not really a debate. We both know that the sanctions have been and will continue to be devastating to Russias economy.
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They will be something they have to deal with and overcome. Right now, you need to wonder who will last longer during these sanctions: Russia or Western Europe?

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Pointing out the stock exchange is closed is just a manifestation of a symptom of the much larger disease. Ignoring this isn't going to make it go away.
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All I'm saying is that a country's economy isn't necessarily made or broken based on the status of its stock market, as we have seen on several occasions in recent history.
 
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NEO said:
How can these sanctions work when we are cutting oil here and buying Russias oil at record numbers?

I saw a report where he is making 1 billion a day off oil sales alone.


Unless we cut off his income source from oil these sanctions are just smoke and mirrors.
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This is one of my primary issues with the thought process behind this admin and the Dems. Oil/Energy, regardless of how much we want/need to focus on renewable energy, are paramount to national security for the foreseeable future. It’s changing, yes. But these people need to understand legislation that cuts our energy/economic legs out from under us, in an effort to force us on to renewable energy immediately, is a fools errand and cannot be accomplished that way.
 
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LittleVol said:
I only read the last sentence of this.
The rest I did not.

Regardless. I said originally we are very involved and even leading from behind.
Not sure why you can't accept that.

According to my buddy who is a senior NCO very near the situation physically, he says the US is organizing every single joint task force support movement there.
Also I dated a girl who now works for the most secure intelligence building on the planet. The Pentagon.
I have her information from the "political " side of it.

Lastly, your opinion is far to a skewed about how foriegn policy operates.

You probably think the US was in Afghanistan because Republicans wanted to figtht terrorism! The reality is the ENTIRE US GOVERNMENT, AND EVERY ADMINISTRATION (Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden) was there for the uranium and Lithium. The Uranium (plutonium) has increased our nuclear arsenal far more than the silly 5,000 weapons we are reporting.
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We both know you did.

You stated it was better if the U.S. appears less involved; why - who is being fooled? I asked the questions I did because one does not govern leftist on all matters except when it comes to the Ukraine invasion and national security. Do you think Biden has not governed as an autocratic leftist? Or that he would not have even more fascistic if not for Sinema and Manchin restraining a leftist congress?

I think only the butcher sees the sausage being made, but we glean information from how it cooks, tastes, and smells. We should stop ceding our sense to 'experts' as they vie for influence on either side.

You don't have to tell me what I probably think; just ask. If you're stating we invaded AF for mineral/element riches, that'd be inaccurate.
 
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05_never_again said:
That's kind of my point. Fauci, like most doctors and other technical experts, shouldn't really be in charge of anything.
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Of course, the business types who should run everything would just outsource the technical jobs to China or reject everything told them ... after it had been condensed to a list of bullet points on a page.
 
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