War in Ukraine

[NorthDallas40]

Africa, Central America, Middle East and Communist East Asia... not exactly a surprise, guys. They've had their share of dealings with American warfare and regime change.

That’s the stupid thing you’ve posted in a while and that’s saying a lot. By your Putin water carrying logic they should be all over recognizing a violation of another country’s sovereign boundaries then. LMFAO

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Looks like China is going to be Russia's lifeline.

Is this surprising to anyone?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

That’s the stupid thing you’ve posted in a while and that’s saying a lot. By your Putin water carrying logic they should be all over recognizing a violation of another country’s sovereign boundaries then. LMFAO

Get your laughs in now while you can.

 

[NCFisher]

"He clearly didn't hire him to start wars, did he?"

Seriously?

Donald Trump should have known that John Bolton pushing for war during his term was a strong possibility, based on Bolton's unapologetic defense of the Iraq War, while he was a frequent contributor to Fox News.

Yeah; seriously. Trump campaigned on no military misadventures, started none, and made plans to end the remnants of the Bush-era war we were embroiled in.
For the second time I have rebuffed your continued excerpts based simply on the merits, as well as answer the question of why Bolton was fired; he took an oath to serve the president but ran his own agenda.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Get your laughs in now while you can.

As long as you’re posting in this thread I’d guess I’ll be laughing.

 

[MontyPython]

Even if the Russians overwhelm the Ukrainian conventional army, they will ultimately lose an insurgent war when/if they try to occupy Ukraine.

Putin and his military advisors thought the Ukraine army would sh*t their pants, and simply surrender.

They were wrong. Dead wrong. Ukraine will NEVER surrender.

Putin is now stuck in a Chinese finger trap of his own making.

Gonna be an endless stream of body bags coming back to Mother Russia.


If the past is anything to go by, Russia will struggle to occupy Ukraine

CNN Updated: March 2, 2022 12:53 PM

Ukraine’s resistance to the Russian invasion has shown strength that has surprised many observers, but one expert has warned historical precedent bodes poorly for Moscow’s forces in the long term should it be unable to subdue the country quickly.

“The Russian army is overextended and in a precarious position if Ukraine becomes a protracted war,” Seth Jones, vice president of the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a Washington, DC-based think tank, said in a social media post.

“Assuming 150,000 Russian soldiers in Ukraine and a population of 44 million, that is a force ratio of 3.4 soldiers per 1,000 people. You can’t hold territory with those numbers,” Jones said.

He compared that Russian force ratio to occupations after previous wars around the world, saying successful ones had force ratios that were “astronomically higher.”

For example, he said, the Allied forces occupying Germany in 1945 had 89.3 troops to 1,000 inhabitants; NATO forces in Bosnia in 1995, 17.5 troops to 1,000 inhabitants; NATO forces in Kosovo in 2000, 19.3 to 1,000, and international forces in East Timor in 2000, 9.8 to 1,000.

Writing in the 2003 review of the RAND Corp. think tank, analyst and mathematician James Quinlivan said a benchmark force ratio for a successful occupation is about 20 to 1,000....


And if Russian occupiers face a guerrilla war in the event the Ukrainian government falls, odds won’t be in their favor, he said.

“They will be in serious danger of being picked apart by Ukrainian insurgents.”

And again, looking at past conflicts, Russia faces formidable challenges in taking Ukraine’s urban areas, like the capital, Kyiv.

“Urban terrain offers incredible resources and advantages for a defending force to cause disproportionate numbers of causalities on an attacking element, cause the attacker to run out of time in the strategic environment, and ultimately bring the momentum of an attack to a screeching halt,” John Spencer and Jayson Geroux wrote this month for the Modern War Institute at West Point, home of the US Military Academy.

The pair, former US and Canadian military officers respectively, pointed to conflicts from World War II to the Korean War to Chechnya to Syria, where urban defenders were able to inflict high losses on their attackers.

With a 40-mile (64-kilometer) column of Russian military vehicles and armor lined up in the direction of Kyiv, what Spencer and Geroux point out happened to Russian armor in Grozny, in Chechnya, in 1995, might be especially ominous for Moscow’s current forces.

Chechen separatists, operating in teams with as few as two men, and using only rifles, grenades and grenade launchers, set on Russian armored vehicles from basements and the upper floors of buildings, they wrote.

“Main tanks and other weapons could not effectively return fire,” Spencer and Geroux said.

“Once in their trap, ambush teams would strike the vulnerable points of Russian tanks and armored personnel carriers, hit the lead and trail vehicles, quickly withdraw, and then move up the flanks to strike the now paralyzed Russian columns again,” they said.

Over three days in January 1995, one Russian brigade lost 102 of its 120 armored vehicles and 20 of 26 tanks to the Chechen separatists in Grozny, they said.

If this example even holds partially true for what the Russian invaders will face in Ukraine’s cities, the war will not be coming to any quick end.

 

[TheColdVolTruth]

Well, its official now.

Interesting...

 

[Vol737]

Africa, Central America, Middle East and Communist East Asia... not exactly a surprise, guys. They've had their share of dealings with American warfare and regime change.

Yes, I noticed and not surprised with the exception of the fact this is between Russia and Ukraine and not a US military operation.

 

[evillawyer]

 

[allvol123]

Yes, I noticed and not surprised with the exception of the fact this is between Russia and Ukraine and not a US military operation.

Don’t blow his mind.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Yeah; seriously. Trump campaigned on no military misadventures, started none, and made plans to end the remnants of the Bush-era war we were embroiled in.
For the second time I have rebuffed your continued excerpts based simply on the merits, as well as answer the question of why Bolton was fired; he took an oath to serve the president but ran his own agenda.

The question isn't why John Bolton was fired. It's why was he hired in the first place? At the time John Bolton was hired, Donald Trump had to know that Bolton was a war hawk, who was still vociferously defending the 2003 Iraq invasion and subsequent occupation. Bolton made his foreign policy agenda very clear on Fox News throughout Barack Obama's presidency, and we know that Donald Trump was an avid fan of Fox News at the time.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Ukrainian officials post Grim Photos of Dead Russian soldiers Online

Gruesome photos of dead Russian soldiers are being shared online by Ukrainian officials to combat Kremlin censorship of its deadly invasion — while another video shows weeping Russian fighters admitting to war crimes.

The images are being posted on various Telegram channels run by Ukraine’s interior ministry and Security Service as the violence continues to escalate.

One grim photo shows the mutilated body of a Russian soldier lying in a field with his flesh and organs alongside him.

WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT
Ukrainian officials post photos of dead Russian soldiers online

 

[OrangeTsar]

In Russia, even the pigeons know who is in charge

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Even if the Russians overwhelm the Ukrainian conventional army, they will ultimately lose an insurgent war when/if they try to occupy Ukraine.

Putin and his military advisors thought the Ukraine army would sh*t their pants, and simply surrender.

They were wrong. Dead wrong. Ukraine will NEVER surrender.

Putin is now stuck in a Chinese finger trap of his own making.

Gonna be an endless stream of body bags coming back to Mother Russia.


If the past is anything to go by, Russia will struggle to occupy Ukraine

CNN Updated: March 2, 2022 12:53 PM

Ukraine’s resistance to the Russian invasion has shown strength that has surprised many observers, but one expert has warned historical precedent bodes poorly for Moscow’s forces in the long term should it be unable to subdue the country quickly.

“The Russian army is overextended and in a precarious position if Ukraine becomes a protracted war,” Seth Jones, vice president of the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a Washington, DC-based think tank, said in a social media post.

“Assuming 150,000 Russian soldiers in Ukraine and a population of 44 million, that is a force ratio of 3.4 soldiers per 1,000 people. You can’t hold territory with those numbers,” Jones said.

He compared that Russian force ratio to occupations after previous wars around the world, saying successful ones had force ratios that were “astronomically higher.”

For example, he said, the Allied forces occupying Germany in 1945 had 89.3 troops to 1,000 inhabitants; NATO forces in Bosnia in 1995, 17.5 troops to 1,000 inhabitants; NATO forces in Kosovo in 2000, 19.3 to 1,000, and international forces in East Timor in 2000, 9.8 to 1,000.

Writing in the 2003 review of the RAND Corp. think tank, analyst and mathematician James Quinlivan said a benchmark force ratio for a successful occupation is about 20 to 1,000....


And if Russian occupiers face a guerrilla war in the event the Ukrainian government falls, odds won’t be in their favor, he said.

“They will be in serious danger of being picked apart by Ukrainian insurgents.”

And again, looking at past conflicts, Russia faces formidable challenges in taking Ukraine’s urban areas, like the capital, Kyiv.

“Urban terrain offers incredible resources and advantages for a defending force to cause disproportionate numbers of causalities on an attacking element, cause the attacker to run out of time in the strategic environment, and ultimately bring the momentum of an attack to a screeching halt,” John Spencer and Jayson Geroux wrote this month for the Modern War Institute at West Point, home of the US Military Academy.

The pair, former US and Canadian military officers respectively, pointed to conflicts from World War II to the Korean War to Chechnya to Syria, where urban defenders were able to inflict high losses on their attackers.

With a 40-mile (64-kilometer) column of Russian military vehicles and armor lined up in the direction of Kyiv, what Spencer and Geroux point out happened to Russian armor in Grozny, in Chechnya, in 1995, might be especially ominous for Moscow’s current forces.

Chechen separatists, operating in teams with as few as two men, and using only rifles, grenades and grenade launchers, set on Russian armored vehicles from basements and the upper floors of buildings, they wrote.

“Main tanks and other weapons could not effectively return fire,” Spencer and Geroux said.

“Once in their trap, ambush teams would strike the vulnerable points of Russian tanks and armored personnel carriers, hit the lead and trail vehicles, quickly withdraw, and then move up the flanks to strike the now paralyzed Russian columns again,” they said.

Over three days in January 1995, one Russian brigade lost 102 of its 120 armored vehicles and 20 of 26 tanks to the Chechen separatists in Grozny, they said.

If this example even holds partially true for what the Russian invaders will face in Ukraine’s cities, the war will not be coming to any quick end.

Sounds like reality is beginning to settle in for you.

 

[volbound1700]

Africa, Central America, Middle East and Communist East Asia... not exactly a surprise, guys. They've had their share of dealings with American warfare and regime change.

Yeah, lovely democratic paradises like North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, Syria, China, Belarus, and Kazakhstan. Great company that you keep.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Well I’m sure the Western Powers will be gung ho to dismantle this Death Star they’ve constructed once the Russia Situation has resolved.

As for the China Situation - it is in the Japanese that we must place our hope.

Japan AND India. Encirclement

 

[MontyPython]

Sounds like reality is beginning to settle in for you.

WTF are you babbling about.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Heartbreaking video appears to show Dog Killed in Russian Assault

Disturbing video footage appears to show the aftermath of Russian troops gunning down a Ukrainian man in a minivan — as well as one of two dogs who were with him.

An initial clip officially shared by Ukraine’s armed forces on Monday shows a man inside a Mercedes while the air is pierced by the sound of gunfire — as well as the brief whimpering of a distressed animal.

The man filming it then cries out in heartbreaking horror as he spots another man lying prone in the middle of the road next to the still-open car door, with smoke in the distance. The video suggests it was close to the capital, Kyiv.

Another clip appears to show the same black minivan covered in bullet holes — and the blood-soaked body of a German Shepherd crumpled half on the road and half inside the open rear sliding door.

Video appears to show dog killed in Russian assault

 

[NCFisher]

The question isn't why John Bolton was fired. It's why was he hired in the first place? At the time John Bolton was hired, Donald Trump had to know that Bolton was a war hawk, who was still vociferously defending the 2003 Iraq invasion and subsequent occupation. Bolton made his foreign policy agenda very clear on Fox News throughout Barack Obama's presidency, and we know that Donald Trump was an avid fan of Fox News at the time.

And the answer is the same; Bolton's been around and probably held or feigned to hold, enough coinciding views that Trump hired him. To do so, he pledged to serve the president. Aside from wanting to impress his worldview upon the administration, I suspect Bolton also saw it as springboard to a book deal.

The answer isn't going to change; whatever his rationale to hire Bolton, it wasn't to start wars.

 

[Septic]

How can these sanctions work when we are cutting oil here and buying Russias oil at record numbers?

I saw a report where he is making 1 billion a day off oil sales alone.


Unless we cut off his income source from oil these sanctions are just smoke and mirrors.

How can the sanctions work?

Look up.

We can bring them to their knees while not cutting us off at them. I don't disagree that western Europe should have never bought Russian oil to begin with, but that's not the argument. We can both bleed the Russian economy without causing the west to spend more than necessary on oil. Weening off Russian oil will take time as the west replaces that production. Also, this is Germanys call, not the US'S.

 

[BowlBrother85]

And the answer is the same; Bolton's been around and probably held or feigned to hold, enough coinciding views that Trump hired him. To do so, he pledged to serve the president. Aside from wanting to impress his worldview upon the administration, I suspect Bolton also saw it as springboard to a book deal.

The answer isn't going to change; whatever his rationale to hire Bolton, it wasn't to start wars.

But Trump had to know, based on Bolton's history, that Bolton was likely to push for war wherever diplomatic measures failed to resolve conflict.

 

[Septic]

Biden (while VP), Obama, Victoria Nuland, John Kerry, etc started all of this Ukraine nonsense in 2013. They had an opportunity to cool things off after the coup they orchestrated by allowing Ukraine to enforce the Minsk II agreements around 2015. So yes, the blood is on their hands just as much as it is on Putin's right now. Facts.


They will be something they have to deal with and overcome. Right now, you need to wonder who will last longer during these sanctions: Russia or Western Europe?


All I'm saying is that a country's economy isn't necessarily made or broken based on the status of its stock market, as we have seen on several occasions in recent history.

Lol, OK. Russias economy is fine, clearly.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Yeah, lovely democratic paradises like North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, Syria, China, Belarus, and Kazakhstan. Great company that you keep.

Any country that doesn't agree with America is a terrorist or despotic state. Meanwhile, Australia, Austria, Canada, and others showed us their hand during COVID...

 

[Vol737]

Is this surprising to anyone?

Not at all. China needs Russia to be the winner in all of this. Keeps the sole focus off of China. Kind of surprised the Chinese didn’t come up with the phrase, “Never try to catch a falling knife”, yet here they are, potentially doing just that.

 

[MontyPython]

Honestly, a GoFundMe page is the way to go. Put it up, and every donates $ to the person or persons who assassinate Putin.

Pretty sure that number would hit US$100,000,000.00+

Someone, somewhere would get it done.

$1 million bounty on Putin offered by Russian businessman
The Russian entrepreneur said the Russian president came to power by "blowing up apartment buildings in Russia."

Updated: MARCH 2, 2022 12:23

A $1,000,000 bounty for the arrest of Russian President Vladimir Putin was offered to military officers by Russian entrepreneur Alex Konanykhin in a post he published on social media this week, as Russia continued its invasion of Ukraine.

"I promise to pay $1,000,000 to the officer(s) who, complying with their constitutional duty, arrest(s) Putin as a war criminal under Russian and international laws," wrote Konanykhin on LinkedIn. "Putin is not the Russian president as he came to power as the result of a special operation of blowing up apartment buildings in Russia, then violated the Constitution by eliminating free elections and murdering his opponents."

"As an ethnic Russian and a Russian citizen, I see it as my moral duty to facilitate the denazification of Russia. I will continue my assistance to Ukraine in its heroic efforts to withstand the onslaught of Putin's Orda," added the businessman. Orda is the Russian word for "horde," a predatory, plundering gang.