War in Ukraine

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Rickyvol77 said:
Your tinfoil conspiracies are hilarious and sad. Much like double D at least you don’t think Putin is bugging your VN account but you are similar.
tell us more what “would’ve happened” in your mind because no one made you get a vaccine via force or took your guns just like I said wouldn’t happen.
Who said you were a domestic terrorist again? And no I have a bias against ignorant conspiracy theorists on both political sides. And yes some are nutjob sovereign citizens who listen to YouTube channels ran by former felons and read zero hedge and believe in black helicopters and insist that police and doctors and nurses want to murder you lol
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Did you even pay attention to the last two years? We went from "two weeks to flatten the curve" to vaccine mandates and passports. You act as though this country was not walking (and still is) walking down a tyrannical and dark path. That isn't tinfoil hat stuff. And as long as the people in power are running things, the threat of this tyranny remains in place.
 
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landscapingvol said:
I could hold out with the Kardashians because they are decent to look at but The View is a bridge too far. I would give up the nuclear codes in 10 minutes; 5 minutes if Rush is playing in the background
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Oooooooh I was there with you until you threw Rush in there. That's just wrong. Coldplay... or any of dozens of pop autotuned garbage 'music', maybe.. but not Rush.
 
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evillawyer said:
No, it's much the opposite.

Showing proof of vaccination hasn't led to any parade of horribles, and Russia never had a vaccine mandate and (to my knowledge) never required proof of vaccination for anything. So requiring proof of vaccination doesn't lead to what Russia is doing and you can do what Russia is doing (checking text messages without cause) while still not taking justified and appropriate measures to protect public health during a pandemic.

But hey, thanks for playing!

Putin says he won’t pursue fines or prosecute unvaccinated people in Russia.
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So let me get this straight , Putin is smarter than our liberal politicians ? Interesting way to present it but I’m not going to argue with you .
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Did you even pay attention to the last two years? We went from "two weeks to flatten the curve" to vaccine mandates and passports. You act as though this country was not walking (and still is) walking down a tyrannical and dark path. That isn't tinfoil hat stuff. And as long as the people in power are running things, the threat of this tyranny remains in place.
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Weird. I am against mandates as well but nothing was “tyrannical”. My life was normal and fine and I never felt under tyranny and the worst ever asked of me was private businesses to ask me to wear a mask on their property and for the state of Hawaii that asked me to register on their website before I visited for 2 weeks. The horror.
Meanwhile I continue to see you post that police are all bad, that doctors and nurses are lying and murdering people and need to be executed and that Putin wasn’t going to invade and then when he did it’s the US and Ukraines fault lol
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Did you even pay attention to the last two years? We went from "two weeks to flatten the curve" to vaccine mandates and passports. You act as though this country was not walking (and still is) walking down a tyrannical and dark path. That isn't tinfoil hat stuff. And as long as the people in power are running things, the threat of this tyranny remains in place.
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The US is one of the few countries in the world that successfully resisted vaccine passport dystopianism. And that fact is pretty much solely due to the courage of a handful of Republican State governors who stood in the breech like Gandalf and said “You shall not pass!”
 
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0nelilreb said:
So let me get this straight , Putin is smarter than our liberal politicians ? Interesting way to present it but I’m not going to argue with you .
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Our liberal politicians were acting sensibly to protect public health during a pandemic that has killed nearly a million now by putting in place sensible, temporary public health measures. There was no grand scheme to take away freedoms by using proof of vaccination as a starting point. Real assaults on personal freedom are what you're seeing in Russia now. The government scrolling through text messages, arresting protestors speaking out against the war, and passing laws that could put protestors in jail for 15 years. That's loss of freedom. A NYC restaurant asking for vaccine proof for indoor dining ONLY, or Twitter (a private company) exercising control over their private platform is not a loss of your personal freedom.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
The US is one of the few countries in the world that successfully resisted vaccine passport dystopianism. And that fact is pretty much solely due to the courage of a handful of Republican State governors who stood in the breech like Gandalf and said “You shall not pass!”
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I agree. But again, the point I'm making is that the desire and will to throw us into that dystopian nightmare are real and the people running this country would have had no problem moving in that direction. Two years ago, someone saying that businesses would be shut down and there would be vaccines mandates and passports would have been laughed out of the rom, but look at where we are at now. At this point, everything is on the table.

We are far from being out of the woods. Who knows what will come out of this hysteria with Russia and the soon to come inflation and economic pains.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Oh here you go with that fake news. That has been debunked to oblivion. Nobody really believes Assad had anything to do with gassing his own people... and in one of those alleged instances, there was no evidence of a gas attack.
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They were more outraged over something they couldn't prove with Assad than what ISIS was actually doing. Pretty sad isn't it?
 
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landscapingvol said:
If there has ever been a worthy conflict to intervene in, some of them in Africa are heart wrenching. If only Liberia had large oil deposits or belonged to NATO
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NATO’s Pivot to China: A Challenging Path

As NATO leaders gathered in London in December 2019, Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg made repeated calls on the need for the alliance to adapt to a new challenge for NATO: China. “We have to address the fact that China is coming closer to us” in Africa, in the Arctic, in the cyberspace, and even in Europe, he notably stressed to support his case.
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