War in Ukraine

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Rickyvol77 said:
The police enforced what exactly where you were
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Dude, they shut down small businesses in Texas trying to stay open, church services in parking lots in MS and KY and enforced the Nashville mayor's restrictions on Broadway.

Let's not talk about what they did in blue states.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
It is an excuse. An excuse not just limited to the Russians. And I was responding your comment about allowing the Ukrainians to invade in order to get an excuse to act. That is what Western countries (mainly UK and US) do.


There is no concrete answer to that. If you think the answer is zero, then you will be having wars all over the place. If you say a million, then you will have a genocide on your hands. Russia had ethnic Russians in that region that have been tormented for over 8 years. He moved in to stop it. That is his excuse, love it or hate it.
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I agree, there is no concrete answer but it is somewhere between zero and a million.

Not only do I hate his excuse but see it as the total BS that is.
 
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DC_Vol said:
Business that was opened and was not supposed to be because it was “not essential”.

Business that had too many people as to prevent proper social distancing.

And businesses that allowed people into their facilities without wearing masks.
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Wasn’t it city councils and governors and state legislatures that passed those measures? But again I’d like to see direct links of what police involvement were. Ras mentioned a church service in KY before but they actually didn’t do anything other than hand out flyers. Also he bemoans police arresting protestors at businesses who wanted them to leave. Again not a big deal
 
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evillawyer said:
Russia is absolutely getting owned in the public information aspect of this war. I gotta believe the US and EU is providing a lot of help with this on the back end.

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If we had the great EMP event, robo callers would still find a way. Your car might not work, but they'd still like to sell you an extended warranty for it.
 
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GoFundMe needed for these Africans trying to flee Ukraine...

"Only Ukrainians, not Blacks": Fleeing African students face racism | African Arguments

“The reason the queue was not moving was because of the Ukrainians. They said they are the owners of the country,” a furious Sidiq tells African Arguments over the phone. “I told one [Ukrainian] woman that both of us are foreigners right now.” When the queue finally did start to move, Sidiq says that officials told Africans to form a separate line and other refugees started yelling at them.

“They started shouting ‘foreigners go back, foreigners go back’. They were literally shouting it to our face,” he says. “They did not care about us at that moment. They just wanted us to die.”
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Wasn’t it city councils and governors and state legislatures that passed those measures? But again I’d like to see direct links of what police involvement were. Ras mentioned a church service in KY before but they actually didn’t do anything other than hand out flyers. Also he bemoans police arresting protestors at businesses who wanted them to leave. Again not a big deal
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Yes, Ricky, that is the point. They were orders passed at the state, city, and local levels and enforced with the help of the police.

These are not the specific events I referenced earlier, because I don’t know of a news story written about them. But here’s a general story detailing what was keeping the local police busy during COVID.

NEW DETAILS | 80 people charged in Maryland with violating COVID orders so far

In a separate instance not too far from me, a man was arrested for throwing a party where he had people at his house that were not immediate family. The horror…a super spreader event!

It’s troubling to know that the police will land on the side of tyranny, but that’s what we are dealing with. Until more in the line of work quit excusing away their culpability in this overreach, we can be guaranteed it will happen again.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Working out for who? The debtors or the creditors?
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The creditors. I'm always amazed by the thought of how someone with no real legal recourse (citizenship) might forcibly recover debt held in other countries. Suppose China decided to nationalize the plants US companies have built there; what are the owners going to do about it? You'd suppose that the world collectively might shut off Chinese trade, but where again does that put the people who paid for the factories ... it's almost the economic variant of the MAD theory. Maybe as US citizens we see foreign investment here as sound and just assume it works the other way.
 
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AM64 said:
The creditors. I'm always amazed by the thought of how someone with no real legal recourse (citizenship) might forcibly recover debt held in other countries. Suppose China decided to nationalize the plants US companies have built there; what are the owners going to do about it? You'd suppose that the world collectively might shut off Chinese trade, but where again does that put the people who paid for the factories ... it's almost the economic variant of the MAD theory. Maybe as US citizens we see foreign investment here as sound and just assume it works the other way.
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It's not clear in her post but sounds like @evillawyer is saying that $64 billion of Russian debt (or debt owed by Russia) is owned by creditors/bondholders outside of Russia.
 
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AM64 said:
Sorry, that wasn't at all my intent. Just pointing out that we do study how things work and how to prevent incidents like you described. I don't recall hearing about that particular incident, but one at the SL-1 reactor is very worth reading - not the kind of thing that could happen in a commercial reactor. It and Chernobyl screwups are why testing in nuclear facilities is very tightly controlled - at least in the US. The rule of thumb is that if something doesn't respond in the manner expected, STOP RIGHT THERE and then figure it out. There's no doubt that people have died of radiation exposure before anyone fully understood the nature of radiation and the effects on the human body. Marie Curie was one pioneer who died from the consequences of radiation exposure. There's a story that circulated around ORNL about Rickover and being the arrogant jerk he was pulling the plug out of an experimentation port in a pile reactor so he could look in - maybe true - who knows.

The first fatal nuclear meltdown in the U.S. happened in 4 milliseconds

BTW I've always found military aviation more interesting anyway - but without 20/20 vision not to be for me.
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I was just joking, I found your post quite interesting, just some of it went past me.

Rickover was a total nutcase. Brilliant, but a nutcase. Some of the stuff he did to guys during the interview to get into the nuclear proposion program was incredible. But it was my understanding multiple companies had standing offers to the graduates of his program at 3 times the salary they were getting in the Navy as a LT. I think Westinghouse was one of the main ones at that time. So if you graduated from there your career was made.

Favorite story, Ensign is standing in front of his desk during the interview (Rickover made the applicants stand at attention during the interviews) and Rickover suddenly says "you have less than 5 seconds to piss me off." Guy can't think of anything to say so he quickly looks around and in a very prominent display he sees a wooden model of the USS Nautilus. It had been given to him as the plankholder (first CO) by the first crew. (For you young people the Nautilus was the first nuclear submarine. Rickover fought for it, designed it and was the first CO.)

That model was his most prized possession. The Ensign grabs it and smashes it on Rickover's desk. Rickover went crazy. The Ensign did not get in the program.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Wow.. "To me, John McCain should rot in Hell..."
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OK you have totally pissed me off. (Imagine glove slap to your face.) McCain is one of the great American heroes. His resistance during his captivity is legendary. Some parts of the reports are still classified.

I don't give a damn what he might have said or done that you don't like, you are not worthy to denigrate him in any way.

Remember, I'm a liberal and I say that. He was a man of honor.
 
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WBO said:
OK you have totally pissed me off. (Imagine glove slap to your face.) McCain is one of the great American heroes. His resistance during his captivity is legendary. Some parts of the reports are still classified.

I don't give a damn what he might have said or done that you don't like, you are not worthy to denigrate him in any way.

Remember, I'm a liberal and I say that. He was a man of honor.
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McCain was the anti-Trump.

RIP.
 
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DC_Vol said:
Yes, Ricky, that is the point. They were orders passed at the state, city, and local levels and enforced with the help of the police.

These are not the specific events I referenced earlier, because I don’t know of a news story written about them. But here’s a general story detailing what was keeping the local police busy during COVID.

NEW DETAILS | 80 people charged in Maryland with violating COVID orders so far

In a separate instance not too far from me, a man was arrested for throwing a party where he had people at his house that were not immediate family. The horror…a super spreader event!

It’s troubling to know that the police will land on the side of tyranny, but that’s what we are dealing with. Until more in the line of work quit excusing away their culpability in this overreach, we can be guaranteed it will happen again.
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Again I don’t agree with those mandates however they are liberal infested places where the people were elected and passed ordinances. In knox county it was pretty clear the sheriff wouldn’t enforce similar laws, so the just because a few departments out of thousands enforced actual laws passed doesn’t mean “police are on the side of tyranny”. The state police is not the same thing as local PDs and Sheriffs either. Sounds like the issue is your state and elected officials
 
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evillawyer said:
Russia is absolutely getting owned in the public information aspect of this war. I gotta believe the US and EU is providing a lot of help with this on the back end.

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Its almost as if this infowar campaign is being planned and executed outside of the Ukraine - like by our statedept/intelligence agencies in coordination with big tech.

People forget that two things can be true at the same time. Ukraine could have provoked a response by its own military actions and Russia still be an aggressive invader with an unjust and wholly overboard response of its own. Russia can be evil and still be protecting its interests because it made an assessment this was worth the costs. We can still root for Ukraine while understanding that they may have inadvertently provoked this war, and done so while American funded operators were the tip of those provocations because we wanted to weaken Russia, which of course, the Russians don't like (but so what?).

The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function - F Scott Fitzgerald
 
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WBO said:
OK you have totally pissed me off. (Imagine glove slap to your face.) McCain is one of the great American heroes. His resistance during his captivity is legendary. Some parts of the reports are still classified.

I don't give a damn what he might have said or done that you don't like, you are not worthy to denigrate him in any way.

Remember, I'm a liberal and I say that. He was a man of honor.
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I remember him being racist as heck when he was running against Obama
 
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