War in Ukraine

Never happen, Europe has no leadership
The countries I’m referring to have no love of Moscow. I’m referring to all of the Eastern NATO countries that used to be under the Soviet boot. I realize the German and French beta cucks would want no part of it but I’d love to see their asses sweat out Article 5 if the former Soviet satellites get the party started.
 
The countries I’m referring to have no love of Moscow. I’m referring to all of the Eastern NATO countries that used to be under the Soviet boot. I realize the German and French beta cucks would want no part of it but I’d love to see their asses sweat out Article 5 if the former Soviet satellites get the party started.

It takes leadership to unite the former nations into a unified front against Russia
 
It takes leadership to unite the former nations into a unified front against Russia
I’d guess once they see Russia invade Ukraine… again… they will all be more than happy to listen as least amongst themselves in uniting to prevent further former satellites falling back under Russian rule. You seem pretty sure they would just meander around and let themselves fall back under Russian control. That sounds pretty damn silly to me.
 
The Russian Empire much like the Austrian and Ottoman Empires were relics of the past that were merely delaying the inevitable. World War 1 just sped up that process for the three fledgling empires. Russia had just been embarrassed military by the Japanese at the turn of the century. France had a much larger military than Britain at the start of the war and wanted revenge for the loss of the Franco Prussian War that unified Germany. They were threatened by the growing power of a unified German state. Germany’s mistake was allying itself militarily with the Austrians. Once the British entered the war on the side of the French, Garmany’s loss was inevitable as well. The US just sped up that process. Ironically, the British Empire was the only empire to survive the war, although the French tried to hold onto their colonies following the war they never recovered militarily. France hasn’t recovered militarily to this day and I don’t know that Germany will post WW2. In some ways, US foreign policy is to be blamed for Europe’s feckless military strength post the Cold War. We simply do not have the economic capacity to fight another Cold War against Russia and China this time. Our economy has changed dramatically since the 60’s, 70’s, and 80’s, we simply cannot rely on our manufacturing might to overwhelm our enemies like it once could. We cannot afford to continue to be the World’s police force when other nations are more than capable of contributing much more than they currently are.

Sounds like Trump policy?
 
I’d guess once they see Russia invade Ukraine… again… they will all be more than happy to listen as least amongst themselves in uniting to prevent further former satellites falling back under Russian rule. You seem pretty sure they would just meander around and let themselves fall back under Russian control. That sounds pretty damn silly to me.

How many of the ex Soviet states are anti Russia? I think we underestimate how many of them are controlled by communist sympathizers
 
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How many of the ex Soviet states are anti Russia? I think we underestimate how many of them are controlled by communist sympathizers
I’d guess as a minimum the 7 that joined NATO in 2004 would qualify what do you think?

And there’s Poland, Hungary, and the Czech Republic in 1999.

Oh and Poland. They’d absolutely be thrilled to be the leader that gets all of the Eastern NATO former Soviet countries to kick Russia’s ass
 
He wasn’t wrong

So Trump as right again? I don't think you voted for him, but you have to admit he was more right than wrong on policy. NATO has been screwing us for a long time because of bureaucrats. They have probably been getting some under the table money and/or gifts.
 
I really hope we don't get involved militarily, partly because I think Europe should handle it, but also because I have no faith in our military leadership. I'd say there is a very real chance we'd get our butts kicked by the Russians.
Or a Pyrrhic victory.
 
I really hope we don't get involved militarily, partly because I think Europe should handle it, but also because I have no faith in our military leadership. I'd say there is a very real chance we'd get our butts kicked by the Russians.


The Biden administration is more than capable of handling this situation.





Ahh, couldn’t do it. Couldn’t do it with a straight face.

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So Trump as right again? I don't think you voted for him, but you have to admit he was more right than wrong on policy. NATO has been screwing us for a long time because of bureaucrats. They have probably been getting some under the table money and/or gifts.

There is some truth to that, I have no problem admitting Trump had some good ideas but his biggest problem was himself. He couldn’t get out of his own way
 
Fine by me. Let the Europeans work it out. Hopefully all this de-escalates. Joe is a liability anyway in the international arena. Got a feeling, though, this is Putin playing “rope-a-dope”.

Euro centric Blinken getting left out is quite astonishing.
 
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Looks like Germany is looking out for its immediate best interests. Wise move for them, right now. Also, seems like they have no problem negotiating and working with a "loose cannon" country like Russia. So I guess now we are going to start demonizing the Germans? Are they now Russian bootlickers?

I tried to tell some of you keyboard "experts" how this was going to go down, but you all mocked me when I said "Pivot East" . So now that Germany has now shown their hand and pretty much proved that prediction true, let me make another prediction or two.

1. If this holds up, that may be the action that begins to break up NATO. We already have Turkey straddling the fence, but you now get this action, and it becomes clear that you have a problematic situation. Turkey, the largest military outside of the US) is one foot in/one foot out. Germany, one of the largest economies outside of the US in NATO, has gone against US desires in their attempt to antagonize Russia. Both of these countries deal with Russia in a much less antagonistic way than just about anyone else in NATO, so there could be further deals and agreements in the future.

2. On that same vein, look for some kind of alternative energy deal to be worked out between Russia, Syria, Turkey, Germany and possibly some Balkan countries (Serbia?) to try to get another pipeline from the Middle East to Germany within the next 5 years. Not saying the pipeline will be in place, I'm saying they will get the deals and agreements together. Once that happens, the already ridiculous talk of shipping American LNG to Europe will completely die off.
 

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