War in Ukraine

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landscapingvol said:
Umm there is good reason to not trust Russia's non existent security concerns considering they are surrounded by very poor nations and China who is their ally. The US and Great Britain are by no means perfect but to suggest they are somehow more of a threat to global stability than the Russians who continuously saber rattle militarily while its people suffer economically is comical. You might as well be defending North Korea because South Korea is about as much a threat to North Korea as Ukraine is to Russia. Mexico is more of threat to the US than Ukraine to Russia, one could argue it has done far more damage to the US than Ukraine has ever dreamed of doing to Russia. By your logic we have every right to be shelling Mexico City right now and shouldn't receive any backlash from the World.
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We can no longer have a discussion if you can't see the destruction and chaos that US and UK have done over the last 200 years.
 
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Ahhh... seems the Ukrainians KIAd another Colonel in their tank ambush in Brovary. Interesting if for no other reason, the Ukrainians didn't actually have success knocking out the Russian tanks that got caught in the ambush - which raises questions about whether these troops have Javelins and NLAWs or, worse, if they do and they didn't penetrate the tanks. Also possible that the Ukrainians only used their drones in the attack. But, they did knock out at least one APC which seemingly may have carried the Colonel. And, just like that, all the Russian tanks tucked tail and retreated... eh, minus one Colonel and crew, at least.

Per CNN:

The Ukrainian military claims to have defeated a regiment of Russian troops and eliminated its commander, Col. A. Zakharov, in Brovary, which is northeast of Kyiv, the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense said on Thursday.

"The commander of the occupier's regiment, Colonel Zakharov, was liquidated. During the battle in the Brovary district of Kyiv region, the battalion tactical group (BTGr) of the 6th tank regiment (Chebarkul) of the 90th tank division of the Central Command suffered significant losses of personnel and equipment," the ministry said on Twitter.

CNN has geolocated and verified the video shared by the defense ministry showing a Russian military column coming under attack and retreating.

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Link to the ambush video:

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWar.../?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
 
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Weezer said:
Did U.S. soldiers invade Cuba? It's a pretty simple question, Ras. The answer, as we both know, is no, they did not.

Both countries are guilty of trying to subvert foreign governments to their favor. That's pretty common knowledge. But Putin went a step further and actually sent troops in. You continue to ignore that in your attempts to make Russia the victim.
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No.

Neither did US soldiers invade Ukraine in the 2014 Ukrainian coup.

Is that a distinction that needs to be recognized for some reason?

The point is, although the US did not put US boots on the ground in Cuba, the US was justifiably concerned and would have been justified to act on Cuba if missiles were placed there. Just like The Soviets were justified to place missiles in Cuba as a counter to the US placing missiles in Turkey.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Umm there is good reason to not trust Russia's non existent security concerns considering they are surrounded by very poor nations and China who is their ally. The US and Great Britain are by no means perfect but to suggest they are somehow more of a threat to global stability than the Russians who continuously saber rattle militarily while its people suffer economically is comical. You might as well be defending North Korea because South Korea is about as much a threat to North Korea as Ukraine is to Russia. Mexico is more of threat to the US than Ukraine to Russia, one could argue it has done far more damage to the US than Ukraine has ever dreamed of doing to Russia. By your logic we have every right to be shelling Mexico City right now and shouldn't receive any backlash from the World.
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A free and democratic Ukraine is not a security concern for Russia.
It's a security concern for Putin and his cronies.
 
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MG1968 said:
Fauci is proof that serving in multiple administrations doesn’t mean ****.
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I agree. Yet, this is who we have coordinating things over there over the last decade minus the Trump years.

It's the American way. We promote idiots and put them in management or leadership positions.
 
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USF grad in TN said:
A free and democratic Ukraine is not a security concern for Russia.
It's a security concern for Putin and his cronies.
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It was a security concern for Gorbachev in 1990 when German reunification talks were starting up and the subject of NATO expansion came up. Don't just put that on Putin or his cronies. This is a fundamental concern for any Russian leader. No different than Cuba or Mexico for the US or the Golan Heights for Israel.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
No.

Neither did US soldiers invade Ukraine in the 2014 Ukrainian coup.

Is that a distinction that needs to be recognized for some reason?

The point is, although the US did not put US boots on the ground in Cuba, the US was justifiably concerned and would have been justified to act on Cuba if missiles were placed there. Just like The Soviets were justified to place missiles in Cuba as a counter to the US placing missiles in Turkey.
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Yes. Even if the U.S. aided in said coup, it was actual Ukrainians who carried it out. Like I said, the U.S. and Russia (and a whole lot of other governments) are both guilty of subverting foreign governments. Is it right? Of course not. But it happens. Hell, we know Russia has tried to subvert our own government (and no, I'm not referring to Trump). It doesn't justify an invasion and the slaughtering of innocents. Espionage is common. All out war on your neighbor is not.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
We can no longer have a discussion if you can't see the destruction and chaos that US and UK have done over the last 200 years.
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Has anyone ever claimed that the US and UK were not responsible for some degree of destruction and chaos over the past 200 years?

I have never once in my life seen anybody make that claim.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Aaaaaaannnnnnndddd the bastards bombed a hospital.

These invading asshats need to be liquified.
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I would do the same if I were at war with another country. It shows the people of the country, they cannot shield themselves with children, the sick, or elderly. It creates tumult between the citizens. People are forced to refuge in really uncomfortable places and it breaks their will.
I am not saying it is moral. It is certainly evil. But waging and winning war has never been about morality and goodness.
 
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McDad said:
I would do the same if I were at war with another country. It shows the people of the country, they cannot shield themselves with children, the sick, or elderly. It creates tumult between the citizens. People are forced to refuge in really uncomfortable places and it breaks their will.
I am not saying it is moral. It is certainly evil. But waging and winning war has never been about morality and goodness.
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Dude this isn’t a war. It’s a “special military operation” to liberate Ukraine of the Nazis. C’mon get with it.
 
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McDad said:
I would do the same if I were at war with another country. It shows the people of the country, they cannot shield themselves with children, the sick, or elderly. It creates tumult between the citizens. People are forced to refuge in really uncomfortable places and it breaks their will.
I am not saying it is moral. It is certainly evil. But waging and winning war has never been about morality and goodness.
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Do you believe there should be rules of war?
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Dude this isn’t a war. It’s a “special military operation” to liberate Ukraine of the Nazis. C’mon get with it.
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Kinda like a police action or peace keeping. I get the tongue in cheek response.

I am just saying if I am sending my countrymen to risk their life, I will wage war in the most despicable manner possible against my opponent. With that said, I hope Ukranians fend off the tyrant.
 
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Can anybody explain why the US gov is so concerned about those research labs in Ukraine?

Our gov had been talking about a possible invasion for a while before it happened so wouldn’t it make sense to have gone ahead and removed any important ‘research materials’ they didn’t want the Russians to possibly have?
That brings up two questions.
1) Was everything important/dangerous already removed and our gov/industrial military complex is once again just up to it’s usual chaos causing antics?
OR
2) Is our current gov so inept and brain dead that they ignored their own invasion intel and nothing got removed from the labs pre Russian invasion?

It’s not like Putin just up and stormed the border without warning since he quite obviously spent a while staging up troops on the Russian side. Even the media was putting out amassing Russian troop number reports fairly regularly.
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