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The World Health Organization said Thursday it had recorded 24 verified incidents of attacks on health care in Ukraine since the start of the Russian invasion on Feb. 24.

“These attacks have led to at least 12 deaths and 17 injuries. At least 8 of the injured and 2 of the killed were verified to be health workers. The attacks took place between 24 February and 8 March,” the WHO said in an email to CNN.
 
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luthervol said:
I'm not familiar with her statement.
Maybe there is something there for legitimate reasons that can be weaponized.
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I'm sure she does have some legitimate reasons to be concerned. That is an astonishing admission on her part after we had several weeks of fact checkers dismissing the idea of biological weapons labs in Ukraine in the weeks before her statement to Congress.
 
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Weezer said:
And that has been widely condemned.
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Not at the time. It was enough support available for us to go into Iraq with justification.

You still ignore the double standard. The security concerns of the US, Israel, Saudi Arabia and Britain ate respected and they are given the justification to do just about anything they want. But when it comes to Russia having similar security concerns on their border and act on them, then we get apoplectic.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
That is not what Nuland's statements were suggesting she was worried about. She was suggesting that the Russians might use something at these labs for some kind of attack.
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You keep riding her coattails as if she is the ultimate authority on all things Russia and Ukraine as if there aren't dozens of others who disagree with her positions and yours quite frankly.
 
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MontyPython said:
:rolleyes:

Timeline:

In January and February 2014, clashes in Kyiv between protesters and Berkut special riot police resulted in the deaths of 108 protesters and 13 police officers,[19] and the wounding of many others. The first protesters were killed in fierce clashes with police on Hrushevsky Street on 19–22 January. Following this, protesters occupied government buildings throughout the country. The deadliest clashes were on 18–20 February, which saw the most severe violence in Ukraine since it regained independence.[30] Thousands of protesters advanced towards parliament, led by activists with shields and helmets, and were fired on by police snipers.[19] On 21 February, an agreement between President Yanukovych and the leaders of the parliamentary opposition was signed that called for the formation of an interim unity government, constitutional reforms and early elections.[31]

The recorded call took place February 4th. Entirely consistent with the timeline of Ukraine's situation devolving into a potential overthrow of the government.

Look. Just go watch Winter on Fire. It'll give you a really good understanding of how all this went down.

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You didn't answer the question. How did they know there was going to be a need for an interim govt? Why not reestablish order like Russia just did in Kazakhstan and put the original leader back in power?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I'm sure she does have some legitimate reasons to be concerned. That is an astonishing admission on her part after we had several weeks of fact checkers dismissing the idea of biological weapons labs in Ukraine in the weeks before her statement to Congress.
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I don't see what is so astonishing about it. It seems she is saying there are biological research facilities (which we have all over our country - every major university) in Ukraine that contain things that could be weaponized and misused by Russia.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Not at the time. It was enough support available for us to go into Iraq with justification.

You still ignore the double standard. The security concerns of the US, Israel, Saudi Arabia and Britain ate respected and they are given the justification to do just about anything they want. But when it comes to Russia having similar security concerns on their border and act on them, then we get apoplectic.
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It was soundly condemned by many at the time.
 
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landscapingvol said:
You keep riding her coattails as if she is the ultimate authority on all things Russia and Ukraine as if there aren't dozens of others who disagree with her positions and yours quite frankly.
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Apparently she is, else she wouldn't be serving in 2 different administrations coordinating activities and the affairs in Ukraine.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Not at the time. It was enough support available for us to go into Iraq with justification.

You still ignore the double standard. The security concerns of the US, Israel, Saudi Arabia and Britain ate respected and they are given the justification to do just about anything they want. But when it comes to Russia having similar security concerns on their border and act on them, then we get apoplectic.
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When the USSR was propping up communist Cuba during the Cold War, did we invade? Sure, we rattled our sabers at the idea of missiles being placed there, but did we put boots on the ground and slaughter innocents because we "felt threatened"?

Seems like you're ignoring the double standard when it comes to Russia.
 
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Weezer said:
When the USSR was propping up communist Cuba during the Cold War, did we invade? Sure, we rattled our sabers at the idea of missiles being placed there, but did we put boots on the ground and slaughter innocents because we "felt threatened"?

Seems like you're ignoring the double standard when it comes to Russia.
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We sent in exiled Cubans in 1961. Then for years afterwards made several attempts to assassinate Castro.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Not at the time. It was enough support available for us to go into Iraq with justification.

You still ignore the double standard. The security concerns of the US, Israel, Saudi Arabia and Britain ate respected and they are given the justification to do just about anything they want. But when it comes to Russia having similar security concerns on their border and act on them, then we get apoplectic.
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Umm there is good reason to not trust Russia's non existent security concerns considering they are surrounded by very poor nations and China who is their ally. The US and Great Britain are by no means perfect but to suggest they are somehow more of a threat to global stability than the Russians who continuously saber rattle militarily while its people suffer economically is comical. You might as well be defending North Korea because South Korea is about as much a threat to North Korea as Ukraine is to Russia. Mexico is more of threat to the US than Ukraine to Russia, one could argue it has done far more damage to the US than Ukraine has ever dreamed of doing to Russia. By your logic we have every right to be shelling Mexico City right now and shouldn't receive any backlash from the World.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
We sent in exiled Cubans in 1961. Then for years afterwards made several attempts to assassinate Castro.
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Did U.S. soldiers invade Cuba? It's a pretty simple question, Ras. The answer, as we both know, is no, they did not.

Both countries are guilty of trying to subvert foreign governments to their favor. That's pretty common knowledge. But Putin went a step further and actually sent troops in. You continue to ignore that in your attempts to make Russia the victim.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
We sent in exiled Cubans in 1961. Then for years afterwards made several attempts to assassinate Castro.
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As we should have, he has terrorized the Cuban people and destroyed their economy. Your logic makes zero sense and he was more than happy to bring the World extremely close to nuclear war.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Why would you expect Poland to do something that the United States isn't willing to do? Russia would still have 1200 ICBMs whether Poland delivered the planes or the US. Looks clearly like our leaders wanted to leave Poland out on an island and they cleverly flipped it back on us.
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You referenced Russia isn't a threat, I just responded. Also you whole Nukes on the border thing is stupid because both Russia and USA are only a 100 miles a part when you look at Alaska and Siberia. They can do that already to each other.

As Palin stated, I can see Russia from my backyard lol.
 
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landscapingvol said:
As we should have, he has terrorized the Cuban people and destroyed their economy. Your logic makes zero sense and he was more than happy to bring the World extremely close to nuclear war.
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I think he is at the point that he is just arguing to say he is right. He clearly isn't reading or thinking intelligently about our posts. You might as well give it up and just ignore him. Internet trolls do this all of the time. They HAVE to be right and they only read your posts to find things to counter while ignoring anything that goes against their argument. They also do not bother to go read outside material that is against their view point and only focus on their viewpoint. It is a common troupe online.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You didn't answer the question. How did they know there was going to be a need for an interim govt? Why not reestablish order like Russia just did in Kazakhstan and put the original leader back in power?
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LMAO. Yanukovych was corrupt. He betrayed his country by nixing an agreement for Ukraine to align with Europe, and instead aligned with Mother Russia. He beat and killed his own people with goon squads. Getting rid of him was common sense.
 
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TVOLS said:
I’m not sure it would be a good idea for Russia to use chemical or biological weapons. That could very well bring other countries in the War with a military response. IMO
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That whole involving other countries seems to be the point. Especially in light of the dialogue between Rubio and Nuland, which was obviously a pitch and catch, where they both stated with absolute certainty 🙄 that Russia would most definitely be behind any such usage in an attack. Groundwork for a FF event, maybe? 🤔
 
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Weezer said:
When the USSR was propping up communist Cuba during the Cold War, did we invade? Sure, we rattled our sabers at the idea of missiles being placed there, but did we put boots on the ground and slaughter innocents because we "felt threatened"?

Seems like you're ignoring the double standard when it comes to Russia.
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Precisely.

Three decades ago, the newly independent country of Ukraine was briefly the third-largest nuclear power in the world.

Thousands of nuclear arms had been left on Ukrainian soil by Moscow after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. But in the years that followed, Ukraine made the decision to completely denuclearize.

In exchange, the U.S., the U.K. and Russia would guarantee Ukraine's security in a 1994 agreement known as the Budapest Memorandum.

So here we are today. Like Cuba, Ukraine has no nukes. Yet, Russia violates its agreement and invades Ukraine. Meanwhile, Cuba remains untouched.
 
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