War in Ukraine

[McDad]

Do you believe there should be rules of war?

Yes.
I want my opponent bound and limited which gives me an advantage.

I would not adhere to any rules of war.

 

[landscapingvol]

Has anyone ever claimed that the US and UK were not responsible for some degree of destruction and chaos over the past 200 years?

I have never once in my life seen anybody make that claim.

Agreed

 

[NorthDallas40]

Kinda like a police action or peace keeping. I get the tongue in cheek response.

I am just saying if I am sending my countrymen to risk their life, I will wage war in the most despicable manner possible against my opponent. With that said, I hope Ukranians fend off the tyrant.

Oh I understand what you’re saying. I don’t think I’d do that and I’d hope any professional officer would refuse an order to directly attack civilians and healthcare facilities. But based on whom is directing the invading asshats here this surprises no one I’m sure.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Do you believe there should be rules of war?

Rules between direct combatants? Minimal

Rules to force exclusion of non combatants from violence? Yes

 

[luthervol]

Yes.
I want my opponent bound and limited which gives me an advantage.

I would not adhere to any rules of war.

So you would let your soldiers rape children?

 

[McDad]

Oh I understand what you’re saying. I don’t think I’d do that and I’d hope any professional officer would refuse an order to directly attack civilians and healthcare facilities. But based on whom is directing the invading asshats here this surprises no one I’m sure.

Let's turn the tables a bit.
Taliban are hiding weapons and personnel in schools, daycare, and hospitals. They come out via underground and use guerilla tactics to kill many American service personnel.

Would you favor a "do no harm to innocents" approach in that scenario?

 

[McDad]

So you would let your soldiers rape children?

If raping children could somehow be consequential to victory (which I cannot imagine), I would not only allow my soldiers to do it, I would command them to.

 

[landscapingvol]

We can no longer have a discussion if you can't see the destruction and chaos that US and UK have done over the last 200 years.

I acknowledge the US' stupidity when it comes to interventionist strategies often but that doesn't excuse Russia's idiotic interventionist strategies. Does the US get the benefit of the doubt more often than not? Yes, generally because they don't threaten to launch nuclear missiles frequently. That is a very important distinction right or wrong. Would Russia actually use them? Probably not but you can only threaten it so many times before people begin to isolate you.

 

[landscapingvol]

Let's turn the tables a bit.
Taliban are hiding weapons and personnel in schools, daycare, and hospitals. They come out via underground and use guerilla tactics to kill many American service personnel.

Would you favor a "do no harm to innocents" approach in that scenario?

We avoid such targets all the time like that and the Taliban/Al qaeda know this. They use to our disadvantage which is why urban warfare has been a disaster for us

 

[luthervol]

If raping children could somehow be consequential to victory (which I cannot imagine), I would not only allow my soldiers to do it, I would command them to.

I hope blue font was implied.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Let's turn the tables a bit.
Taliban are hiding weapons and personnel in schools, daycare, and hospitals. They come out via underground and use guerilla tactics to kill many American service personnel.

Would you favor a "do no harm to innocents" approach in that scenario?

Yep. And they did just that BTW. We’re the more capable force. Send in spec ops and kill the bastards. Plus most all of our officers I believe would refuse the order anyway.

 

[McDad]

We avoid such targets all the time like that and the Taliban/Al qaeda know this. They use to our disadvantage which is why urban warfare has been a disaster for us

Completely in line with my point. Once I know my opponent has self imposed ethical and moral boundaries, I will exploit those limitations at every opportunity to gain an advantage. I on the other side of the conflict, would not adhere to any limitations thus denying my opponent any exploitation.

 

[DynaLo]

Goldman's out too

Great. Let’s just force all the countries that hate the US to join together in creating their own global economy which in turn completely kills the petrodollar and absolutely destroys our own economy in the process.

Y’all better pull up some some old USSR economic impact photos and take a real good look at them so you have some idea of what to expect.

 

[McDad]

I hope blue font was implied.

It wasn't. I am not bringing the sensitivities of a father, or a man living a very comfortable life, or someone who has never worried about war outside his door. I am bringing the ruthlessness and evil cunning which brings advantage to the conflict. If war is important enough to wage, it should be important enough to wage quickly, efficiently, and with every intention of victory.

 

[McDad]

Yep. And they did just that BTW. We’re the more capable force. Send in spec ops and kill the bastards. Plus most all of our officers I believe would refuse the order anyway.

They probably would. I certainly would if I were an officer. Perhaps this is one reason we suck at war.

If I were commander, any officer not obeying would be executed and replaced.

 

[evillawyer]

Well, that didn't go well for the Italian guy.

Watch: 'See what your friend Putin has done,' Salvini told in Poland

 

[landscapingvol]

It wasn't. I am not bringing the sensitivities of a father, or a man living a very comfortable life, or someone who has never worried about war outside his door. I am bringing the ruthlessness and evil cunning which brings advantage to the conflict. If war is important enough to wage, it should be important enough to wage quickly, efficiently, and with every intention of victory.

Precisely and that is the problem with many of the wars we have engaged in recent history, they were questionable at best and we didn't seem very interested in winning them militarily. War should always be last resort and should be fought to win. If they aren't a last resort and aren't fought to win then we have no business being in them.

 

[McDad]

Precisely and that is the problem with many of the wars we have engaged in recent history, they were questionable at best and we didn't seem very interested in winning them militarily. War should always be last resort and should be fought to win. If they aren't a last resort and aren't fought to win then we have no business being in them.

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

 

[MontyPython]

Deutsche Bank defends decision not to exit Russia: "It's not 'practical' right now."

 

[landscapingvol]

Deutsche Bank defends decision not to exit Russia: "It's not 'practical' right now."

No one has ever confused German foreign policy and the word good in the same sentence

 

[Sandman 423]

Deutsche Bank defends decision not to exit Russia: "It's not 'practical' right now."

Is this the beginning of global "cancel culture"?

 

[red butler]

A free and democratic Ukraine is not a security concern for Russia.
It's a security concern for Putin and his cronies.

Ukraine joining NATO is absolutely a security concern for Russia, no matter who the leader happens to be. Us putting massive funding into the likes of the Asov Battalion is also a security concern for any Russian leader.

 

[volkyries]

That is cringe worthy

Not anymore cringe worthy than anything else taken out of context and reported these days. I believe those numbers were for the entire Normandy campaign which lasted around 3 months (90 days vs the 14 or so days currently for Russia's campaign). Also, weapons/information were considerable less accurate almost 80 years ago. To even compare the 2 number is ignorant to begin with. Also, the entire world was at war then and people were dying all over the globe. To pull this one number out of that war is very misleading.

 

[NorthDallas40]

They probably would. I certainly would if I were an officer. Perhaps this is one reason we suck at war.

If I were commander, any officer not obeying would be executed and replaced.

Oh we’re excellent at war. We kill better than near anybody in history has we are one of the most warlike people to ever walk the earth. We just suck at “winning the peace”.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Not anymore cringe worthy than anything else taken out of context and reported these days. I believe those numbers were for the entire Normandy campaign which lasted around 3 months (90 days vs the 14 or so days currently for Russia's campaign). Also, weapons/information were considerable less accurate almost 80 years ago. To even compare the 2 number is ignorant to begin with. Also, the entire world was at war then and people were dying all over the globe. To pull this one number out of that war is very misleading.

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