War in Ukraine

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LouderVol said:
Except it would drag millions more civilians into the line of fire.
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Whoah whoah whoah, they aren't here to listen your Putin sympathizing reasoning, my friend. They see sad images on their tv and hear the hosts whisper sweet reassurance that they are virtuous and righteous for standing against the current Hitler.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I think in the next few weeks and months, we may see that air strike on that Western Ukrainian base near the Polish border as a turning point in this conflict. NATO and the US were sent a message, I believe.
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So you'd be happy with us sending messages as well? I mean one side here has shown restraint, we are equals, or near in nuclear might not conventionally their military is inferior. We could just as easily send messages, but we aren't. There is one tyrant here in this situation.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
It ain't just Volnation. Just like COVID was a huge red pill for me, this Ukraine deal is a red pill for me, also. I am shocked at just how easily manipulated people can be into not only hating one group (in this case Russians), but sympathize so easily to another (Ukrainians). These very same people didn't give a s^^t about Syrians, Iraqis, or Libyans, but for some reason are flying Ukrainian flags and talking about "I stand with Ukraine"... If we would have had this same sentiment in 2003... or hell 2011 when we started the Arab Spring uprisings, this country would be in a far different place.
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That's because most people can see past the Russian excuses for invading Ukraine for what it is and that is nothing more than Russia settling old scores with Kiev. It isn't about "nazism" or "genocide" which is laughable considering the vast majority of Ukranian people are Slavic just like the Russians. Libya was controlled by Gaddafi who had kept the Libyans in poverty and funded terrorism for decades. We shouldn't have been in Iraq but Saddam did kill tens of thousands of his own people. Assad had recently used chemical weapons on his own people. You may not like the reasons for intervention in those nations and I certainly don't support the US' interventionist strategies but those have very little in common with Ukraine.
 
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KB5252 said:
So you'd be happy with us sending messages as well? I mean one side here has shown restraint, we are equals, or near in nuclear might not conventionally their military is inferior. We could just as easily send messages, but we aren't. There is one tyrant here in this situation.
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We have been sending messages since 2014, that is what started this mess.
 
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LouderVol said:
So we arent just posting it, we are enforcing it. That's different than your opening stance to just post it and see if Putin breaks it.
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Step one is posting it and seeing if Putin breaks it....I stopped there to emphasize that it would be Putin's choice.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
It ain't just Volnation. Just like COVID was a huge red pill for me, this Ukraine deal is a red pill for me, also. I am shocked at just how easily manipulated people can be into not only hating one group (in this case Russians), but sympathize so easily to another (Ukrainians). These very same people didn't give a s^^t about Syrians, Iraqis, or Libyans, but for some reason are flying Ukrainian flags and talking about "I stand with Ukraine"... If we would have had this same sentiment in 2003... or hell 2011 when we started the Arab Spring uprisings, this country would be in a far different place.
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With most people in the western world now, they’ve been conditioned not to question anything...to throw away any outside the box thinking skills or logic. Conditioned to go with the narrative or face being bombarded with a bunch of “ism’s” or even traitor.
 
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luthervol said:
yep. We would be escalating to avoid the slaughter of thousands of innocent people.
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Do you remember just how close we came to starting ww3 over Cuba ? How many innocent people do you think would be slaughtered if we got into a direct conflict with Russia , China , India , Pakistan , North Korea ? Since you are the main proponent of continuums and doing what’s best for society as a whole , how would a direct war with Russia fall on your “I'm willing to bet it all that the crazy , egotistical dictator with nukes “ won’t do anything continuum ? I’m also curious how many Russians you know , they have this thing they do ( in general ) called flexing , hell they do flyovers on our navy , run subs up and down our east coast breaking the 12 mile marker and fly in towards Alaska / Canada on the regular just to see what we will do . This is all done when there’s no conflicts .
 
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